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Re: SedatChess

Posted: Fri Jan 19, 2024 8:33 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
UPDATE 2

And here are current standings, which is running under Cutechess GUI
Note also Chessbase native ones (ChessTiger, Fritz, Hiarcs, Junior etc)
Will be participated as well, sure they will be played under Fritz GUIs

All the players of Blitz (4m+2s) Classic CS will contain min 500 games...

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Gandalf 4.32h                 168      46     194   72.4%   25.3% 
   2 Chessmaster 8000              167      47     192   72.4%   21.9% 
   3 Shredder 5                    149      47     193   70.2%   21.2% 
   4 Rebel Century                 135      46     194   68.6%   21.6% 
   5 Little Goliath 3               38      43     195   55.4%   23.6% 
   6 Yace 0.99.56                   18      43     193   52.6%   22.3% 
   7 Insomniac 0.69a                14      43     194   52.1%   23.7% 
   8 Phalax XXII                   -18      45     194   47.4%   16.5% 
   9 Gromit 3                      -38      44     191   44.5%   22.0% 
  10 AnMon 5.10                    -49      44     194   43.0%   22.2% 
  11 Crafty 17.14                  -53      41     193   42.5%   31.1% 
  12 TAO 4.4                      -152      51     194   29.4%   10.3% 
  13 The Crazy Bishop             -159      50     192   28.6%   14.6% 
  14 LambChop 7.10                -230      54     195   21.0%   14.4% 

1354 of 2730 games finished.
Have fun,
Sedat

Re: SedatChess

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 1:44 am
by Sedat Canbaz
Breaking News (22.01.2024):
1st of all, here is just another tour...and instead of NON-NNUE, I realized
To name it as Classic CS, meanwhile, what does it means 'Classic' word?
Well, according to many dictionaries: Classic means Highest quality etc.
Ok. let's back to our Computer chess, after reading many of the comments...
NNUE seems to be better or worse? if you ask my opinion.. it all depends....
For stronger openings ideas, analyzing etc.yes..NNUE is excellent choice!
But using NN file (during active and serious games) how much is original?
This is other question of course but I guess via NNUE chess will be solved
Btw, mainly for this reason via my Classic tours...I'm doing my best about
Chess to be remained as unsolved ..you may know, I love much chess..)
And via NNUE, who knows? perhaps 'chess' is already solved e.g under
Serious optimal cond. ?) but what a pity that for right now (since NNUE)
No much data is available...I mean serious tours with optimal conditions..
Btw, forget everything..even the guys who hated Bullet...started to love ))
This saying perfectly suits: Eat a big mouthful but don't make big promises
Nowadays still our good days..if so..future 3700+ matches will be with ultra fast TC?
Yes, since NNUE we see quite frequent bad quality games too...sure I mean
Who prefer the very weak openings in their tests, personally I understand...
Since their target is to see more wins...and as usual (via SCCT book tours):
The ones, who prefer these handicapped openings are ranking at one of last
Places..I mean it's easy to be recognized..Ok let's Me say a few words more
Via this tour, it's like from the past to the present...e.g 2000s year engines on
New decent fast hardware, yes Blitz but if we are going to compare with past..
Then current Blitz games can be counted Slow time control, e.g just imagine
The 2000's hardware with present: a HUGE speed difference in NPS values!
Note that (as in previous, recent.)I managed to organize two separate tours..
What I can say more, the current tour reminded the past...it something like
I watch favorite movies, which never die...e.g one of them: Gladiator 2000

The Champion: Chess Tiger 14 - Congratulations to Christophe Theron!

For FINAL Standings, Games:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... assic-cs-1

Best,
Sedat

Re: SedatChess

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:50 am
by Homayoun
Hi
Thank you very much. Chess tiger was one of the most aggressive engines ever. Sometimes we regret for closed projects. Why such successful projects shouldn’t be continued any more?

Best regards

Re: SedatChess

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 3:22 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
Homayoun wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 9:50 am Hi
Thank you very much. Chess tiger was one of the most aggressive engines ever. Sometimes we regret for closed projects. Why such successful projects shouldn’t be continued any more?

Best regards
You are welcome )

Agreed... CT14 is aggressive, with dynamic playing of style...
E.g at that time (especially during 2000-2002 years),
Chess Tiger was unstoppable..actually even nowadays ))

Yes.. sad indeed, but my respect..because chess is not all...
In out life, there are more and other important things too!
Btw, sometimes I wonder too,
Regarding when I will be busy more with non-chess activities too )
In other words, time will tell.. )

On other hand,
Not only Chess Tiger engine's project is closed,
E.g if we are going to check from the past to the present ...
Then we will notice that
Only a few authors are still active/releasing... at present days!

And as far as I know,
Only Rebel's author (Ed Schröder) is still quite active...
Plus Hiarcs's author (Mark Uniacke) is active ...and
Little Goliath's author (Michael Borgstädt) too, but not so frequent...
Fritz eng series authors seems to be as active...but
2000's authors and and 2024's are totally different persons!

Btw, also Wasp's author (John Stanback) is still active..
And in the past, his engines were named as Zarkov
Plus the author of Arasan (Jon Dart) is active nowadays too
But unfortunately, I could not test them...as main reason,
Arasan (without own book) gave pop up messages...
Where the available Zarkov series were newer than 2000s


Greetings )

Re: SedatChess

Posted: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:17 pm
by OrgZ
Thanks 👍

Re: SedatChess

Posted: Tue Jan 23, 2024 7:29 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
OrgZ wrote: Mon Jan 22, 2024 6:17 pmThanks 👍
Not at all..it is my pleasure :)

Re: SedatChess

Posted: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:27 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
Breaking News (26.01.2024):
Today I organized another new competition, where this time I named it as
Revenge 2001..the reason of running it...simply because Chess Tiger 14
Was newer in previous tours, released in 2001, where his opponents were
As slightly older vers., I mean almost all engines are released in 2000 year...
But now..via latest Revenge tour..all players are released in 2001, so I've
Done my best for more fair cond. if nothing else now I feel much better...)
Sure more games needed..but Fritz7 seems to be one of strongest of 2001
What I can say more, it is impossible to find engines, to be released all on
Identical date..sure as same words are going for opening books too..that's
Why sometimes not all in my hands..anyhow just fun tours..simply enjoy..)

The Champion of 2001: Fritz 7 - My Congratulations to Frans Morsch!

For FINAL Standings, Games, Details:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... assic-cs-1

Greetings )

Re: SedatChess

Posted: Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:27 pm
by Homayoun
Sedat Canbaz wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:27 pm Breaking News (26.01.2024):
Today I organized another new competition, where this time I named it as
Revenge 2001..the reason of running it...simply because Chess Tiger 14
Was newer in previous tours, released in 2001, where his opponents were
As slightly older vers., I mean almost all engines are released in 2000 year...
But now..via latest Revenge tour..all players are released in 2001, so I've
Done my best for more fair cond. if nothing else now I feel much better...)
Sure more games needed..but Fritz7 seems to be one of strongest of 2001
What I can say more, it is impossible to find engines, to be released all on
Identical date..sure as same words are going for opening books too..that's
Why sometimes not all in my hands..anyhow just fun tours..simply enjoy..)

The Champion of 2001: Fritz 7 - My Congratulations to Frans Morsch!
For FINAL Standings, Games, Details:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... assic-cs-1

Greetings )
Thank you very much. :difus_19

Re: SedatChess

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 9:27 am
by Sedat Canbaz
Homayoun wrote: Sat Jan 27, 2024 7:27 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote: Fri Jan 26, 2024 6:27 pm Breaking News (26.01.2024):
Today I organized another new competition, where this time I named it as
Revenge 2001..the reason of running it...simply because Chess Tiger 14
Was newer in previous tours, released in 2001, where his opponents were
As slightly older vers., I mean almost all engines are released in 2000 year...
But now..via latest Revenge tour..all players are released in 2001, so I've
Done my best for more fair cond. if nothing else now I feel much better...)
Sure more games needed..but Fritz7 seems to be one of strongest of 2001
What I can say more, it is impossible to find engines, to be released all on
Identical date..sure as same words are going for opening books too..that's
Why sometimes not all in my hands..anyhow just fun tours..simply enjoy..)

The Champion of 2001: Fritz 7 - My Congratulations to Frans Morsch!
For FINAL Standings, Games, Details:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... assic-cs-1

Greetings )
Thank you very much. :difus_19

You are welcome :)

Re: SedatChess

Posted: Mon Jan 29, 2024 2:21 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
Breaking News (29.01.2024):
1st of all this tour is not Championship..organized in the name of all Gladiators!
Be aware that my CM9000's personality, with name 'CM9 Gladiator' is best of best
Improvement, if comparing with all other tested Chessmaster settings...at least
Under these conditions, yes.. data is perfectly clear...Btw, what a lucky name ?)
For example, in the past with name 'The Gladiator' I used to play on Playchess
Plus I organized series of different Book+Eng Tours with 'Gladiator' name too!
Btw,(for anyone missed) CM9 Gladiator's performance was not so bad: Results
Note that in this tour: as far as possible I picked the highest-rated CM settings..
Sure I refer about other previous results (e.g based on CCRL, CEGT, SCCT etc)
Besides, as you see, all players are carefully picked, which are close in strength..
On other hand, I expected more from others CM settings especially from CM10th..
The current competition is ended.. but there is possibility to be resumed as well..
Note also that soon as possible I plan to organize other new Human-Like tours,
E.g with famous GMs personalities sure as books will be used theirs openings..
Ok chess friends. that's all for now..see you later..and thanks for your interest..)


For Latest Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -gladiator

Have Fun :difus_19

Greetings