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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:32 am
by deeds
Sedat wrote: ...I have no any idea
About what you are talking
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are you hacker ?
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So, all of your published screenshots...
Are meaningless
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source

Sedat wrote: ...
are far away from good humanity, understanding etc.
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because such people like you
Are simply hopeless
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Sedat wrote: ...
Because this guy is hopeless plus he has no
Clue what is going on
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tried to fool many times all the people
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Sedat wrote: ...
But later coming as BIGGEST expert etc..and mainly BLA BLA BLA ))
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Sedat wrote: ...but what a pity that so
Far their comments did not make much sense!
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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Posted: Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:43 am
by deeds
Conclusion : as soon as this guy asks you a question, run away or prepare to be insulted !

For the others, we do as usual, we continue to have fun when we see results of tourneys with engines in training mode :lol: :lol: :lol:

There are only daily testers not to be ashamed to produce tourneys conditions where learning engines only have 50% of conformity with their experience data :lol: :lol: :lol:

How ironic that they think we are hopeless when we have demonstrated for months/years the nextgen performance (+100 elo, +200 elo) of learning engines and they are still showed poor results as 2-1, 1-0, etc. :lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 1:47 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
deeds wrote: Thu Aug 10, 2023 10:43 am Conclusion : as soon as this guy asks you a question, run away or prepare to be insulted !
Sorry for the delay...but I was busy in latest days )

About many of your comments,
Sad really that you are STILL trying to show
Something like that 'Sedat' is bad, wrong...
Where Deeds or other/s is/are right, good...))

And sure, all of you are great, faultless, very kind etc.
Frankly it seems on comments, but what about in reality??
And as usual, instead of comments, papers etc...I say:
We need a very good calculation tool..and I wonder
Then who will be right and who will be wrong ?)

On other hand, it is perfectly clear also that:
You missed to publish your 1st and all rest attacks...
Which were as underestimating my work, name etc.
And all these words were NOT as 'grammar' mistakes!
All this story was clear: destroying SCCT, thanks again!
And I assume that even 10 years old boy will understand...

What I can say more,
I did not start as 'FIRSTLY' all this bad story...!
After all, I am human (in reality) not as ROBOT !)
And I have FEELINGS... so what did you expect ??
To be in silence?..SORRY...sure I am not going to
Publish all of yours attacks, comments, links etc. but
No doubt that you FIRSTLY started to call Me as LIAR...
And NOT only in OpenChess, plus in Outskirts forum too!
It's true also that your bad words are already removed by
Outskirts mods..but, it's clear about who started as firstly:
http://outskirts.altervista.org/forum/v ... 8&start=10

Btw, sure after all,
I can't force you to be in GOOD friendship..but if nothing else
Let's PEACE to be as WINNER...Let's GOOD to be as WINNER!!
Sure to be archived PEACE..it's required understanding for sure!
And I hope that you have...If not... again it will be sad indeed..
But I can live with that...

Actually if all this story was in a friendly way..such as firstly
You said as 'Hello-Thanks-Congrats etc. in other words,
Were as so hard to use some of these kind words (in parallel too) ?
In other words, do you think that
Only with accusing, blaming Me etc. you'll gain something?
If so..believe Me...you are completely in W-R-O-N-G way !!

Meanwhile, would not be MUCH boring too ?
If we will talk again over these old issues?
Such as, you told Me firstly as liar, idiot etc...
And let's move on!! let's talk about new better ideas!
Let's talk about your new Deeds opening book etc.
Otherwise, if we will start blaming each other..e.g
This story will be never ending process and mostly of our
Valuable time will be just waste of time...e.g such as
I shared as StockfishMZ.exp (instead of Eman exp etc.)
Btw, even if I'd shared as Eman exp, then I wonder too,
What would be changed? listen, I gain nothing, zero..
Really sometimes I have difficulties to understand you!
If still not so clear, I realized to share simply
As it is..used/shared as default, no more no less!
But calling Me for all these actions: as liar...and
Via opening fake threads, attacks etc. like this thread..
Will be interesting for some members, but be sure in that:
It''!s as very bad choice, way..but do not forget..in same time:
The life is like a boomerang, whatever you throw out,
There will always return to your address...!!

One thing more, (in your latest new recent thread)
How to take an incompetent book's maker for a jerk ?
I see also that you are STILL attacking... sad again.. actually
I stated many times that and I offered a help to you...
(Btw, 'f4' openings are not as main reason...just saying...)
But you refused unfortunately...sure I do not force you
Regarding to how to create a better, stronger Deeds book..
But I think that it is worth to give a try...because via special
Tuning...there is strill BIG chances to create better books
Even via current used database...and I and I thankful to
You plus all entries as well......but this is also true that
As 1st try (about Depth4_Deeds), we can not expect much...
Actually you may create by yourself a newer stronger book,
Or the creation method will be even better choice..e.g to be
Done by other well-experienced, competent in book making...

But remember also that, (about I'm incompetent author or not...)
I'd give so many many examples, but due to no free time, just one:
A few months ago (in B/N CS XIII), my created 3753-55 book is one
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bn-cs-13
Of Top LEADING books and why 3753-55 is managed to be performed as
One of highest, best ranks??..if not clear: this Top book is based
On very strong books openings, where these lines proved in BN X too!
Btw, my creation method is used same for Depth4_Deeds and 3753-55
Exc. the main difference between both mentioned books is that:
They are not based and tuned to use same openings...that's all!

And let's assume that all of you are 100% right,
And in same time, I am totally wrong...but then it's
Coming a very simple question, if my tours,
Testings (SCCT's data) are not correct etc. ?!
If so...Is there any such proving evidence...?
Meanwhile..what about other (NON-SCCT) results?
Can you share such valid and quality rating/s ?)
I asked before...but so far I could not see...
Forget everything..as usual, after my tour ideas..
Many chess friends are starting to gain...and
If I caused to this ..again how happy I'm...!)

Meanwhile, what about your Book vs Exp tests?
You claim such as 50-100 Elo difference...??
Are you sure? but let's say under serious and
Optimal conditions? you may know or not..
Many of us are not interested in testings
Via weak, handicapped openings...because via
Such lines are easy to see much Elo differences..
If still no so clear:
Let's run under serious tour cond, such as via strong
Openings..Blitz TC or even Papid would be better...
And then let's see there will be 100 Elo diff. or not...

By the way, another new, but just a great idea is born,
If you believe that Depth4 exp is stronger about 100 Elo
Than latest SF dev. etc then to validate your test results etc.
Since in your eyes, SCCT is not valid in testings etc. then
You can share your Depth Exp to trusted third party testers...
Such as CEGT, CCRL, FCP, FGRL, SPCC, SSDF etc. you may know,
These TDs are as one of most best, experienced in Ratings!
And meanwhile...if I am not wrong...
Many of above TDs are NOT so interested in private engines!
But I think it is worth to giving a try....what you will loose ?

Thanks for reading too !)

Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm
by IbaiBuR
I think it is time to stop attacks between both parts too (experience team vs book testing team), try o improve and enjoy!

Each one has its side of expertise, its testings and its data. Some may not like / disagree with testings of the other... I mean... thats just fine.

Arguing agressively is so tiring and doesnt contribute positively to the forum in my opinion. Just let everyone continue by its side... but dont ping others or mention others because it may lead to an argument...

On my side, I am interested more in one of the parts, (experience file testings, training, advises) but I also respect the other part.

Anyways, Sedat knows I dont agree with some of the things, but it is just fine now, I hope it is fine from your part too...

Regarding DeeDs, continue with all of your tests showing how good engines with learning feature can be and what can they accomplish... people still dont realise how strong this technology is but they will surely know...

Regards and thanks for reading,

Ibai

Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 4:20 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
Hello Ibai,
IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm I think it is time to stop attacks between both parts too (experience team vs book testing team), try o improve and enjoy!
Agreed...just I'd like to add, since many many years:
I'm interested...and I tested many Books, plus some Exp!
So I can not imagine, if NOT to test both of them..!!
IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm Each one has its side of expertise, its testings and its data. Some may not like / disagree with testings of the other... I mean... thats just fine.
Yes...that's true.... but I suggest all in friendly way...
Otherwise, you may notice what happened here...
IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm Arguing agressively is so tiring and doesnt contribute positively to the forum in my opinion. Just let everyone continue by its side... but dont ping others or mention others because it may lead to an argument...
Same words are going as above...exception,
The 1st attacks do not belong to Me...
IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm On my side, I am interested more in one of the parts, (experience file testings, training, advises) but I also respect the other part.
Sure..I respect..you have full right ..and nothing wrong with that..
IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm Anyways, Sedat knows I dont agree with some of the things, but it is just fine now, I hope it is fine from your part too...
As I stated above..I respect some of your point of view...etc.
But I expected before, to say some positive words about SCCT too )
But it is ok...I can't satisfy each member here ..but no BIG problem,
Where I can live with that too )
IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm Regarding DeeDs, continue with all of your tests showing how good engines with learning feature can be and what can they accomplish... people still dont realise how strong this technology is but they will surely know...
Sounds good...but it would be nice also to see a newer Deeds opening book,
Since current thread is opened mainly about Depth4_Deeds book etc...!)
In other words, I wish to see e.g a newer Deeds book to be in higher ranks!

On other hand,
I agree that Eng learning is playing as BIG role (especially vs NON-learning)
But frankly I am interested under serious tour conditions...at least
It will be great, If Depth4 exp will use to play/test via strong openings...
And all these newer tests to be played by trusted 3rd party testers...!
IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm Regards and thanks for reading,

Ibai
Greetings )

Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Posted: Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:33 pm
by deeds
IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm I think it is time to stop attacks between both parts too (experience team vs book testing team), try o improve and enjoy!
The same causes often produce the same effects :

:arrow: As long as Sedat lies to people about learning engines he will deserve this name and shame :!:

:arrow: As long as Sedat reassigns the filenames of experience files or opening books he will deserve this name and shame :!:

IbaiBuR wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 3:10 pm ...people still dont realise how strong this technology is...
Because Sedat-like daily testers lie to them with their stupid settings and stupid tourney's conditions with learning engines :!:


As far as I'm concerned, I've put the links to the proofs of what I'm saying. I create topics with screenshots, settings and files at each step of the process.

For example, if one of my experience files started a game with 1.f4, we should find its score and depth in the games but that's not the case :!: So why would someone rename his own "1.f4" book creation to blablabla "deeds" :?: She must really be bothered :!:

If you love liars and saboters, i am ready to break contact with you all, to change forums, to no longer share my tools, to remove my available tools, I don't care.

Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:18 am
by IbaiBuR
You already know my opinion on all of this DeeDs, I agree with you mostly and you know that...

People who are knowledgeable about learning engines like you and arguably me will know when test results are relevant or not for us... We discussed this too...

Your methods for training are now used widely and by more people because of the results they give...

Dont take me wrong... I just think that arguing is so tiring and it is not the way to continue...

Hope you understand anyways

Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 5:23 am
by Sedat Canbaz
deeds wrote: Mon Aug 14, 2023 9:33 pm
:arrow: As long as Sedat lies to people about learning engines he will deserve this name and shame :!:

:arrow: As long as Sedat reassigns the filenames of experience files or opening books he will deserve this name and shame :!:

If you love liars and saboters, i am ready to break contact with you all, to change forums, to no longer share my tools, to remove my available tools, I don't care.
As we expected... and unfortunately:
Again and again you did not take 0 (zero) lessons, sad!
Actually in my previous post: I was careful via my words..
I've tried to build a PIECE... but for this: Humanity,
Understanding is required...where you are far way of that!
And what we noticed: your childish behavior are same!
Plus once more we noticed that you are as 'hopeless' man!
And no BIG surprise that, you are so many times banned!

By the way, without to not mention this I can't too:
One of the most stupid comments of you is that:
You realized to give 92 credibility points for
The Duel eng match: StockfishMZ vs ProteusSF
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1gnqVB_ ... oqKNW/view

But later (e.g in my 1st organized Duel - Book vs Exp),
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ook-vs-exp I mean after when
When StockfishMZ is lost vs Books, you said TONS of Bullshit..
Something like that: Eman exp is belonging to 2021 data etc.
I mean simply that when StockfishMZ (Eman) exp is loosing:
SCCT is not not fair, using stupid settings etc. LOL )), but
When StockfishMZ (Eman) exp is winning: 92 points credibility ))
That's why as usual I say, you are far away to be 'real' expert!
But this is also true, in case of fake accounts: you are as best!

As another hypothalamus damage behavior of you is that,
You tries to fear us, like Deeds tools will be removed...
Or you are going to be far from OpenChess etc and etc.
Come on...what is your point here? the reason: SCCT ?

And once more, do not try to fool all the people here!
As you say that your Depth4 exp is stronger 100-200 Elo
Than latest SF...then send to 3rd party well-known TDs!
Otherwise...your testings are not VALID (in my eyes)
Just in case...be sure, to be used strong openings!
And be sure also Depth4 to be played in rating lists!
Yes..it's very easy via papers...but reality is not so!

Btw, just in case of Depth4 exp test on SSDF rating,
Depth4 exp will gain not much, because TC is 40/120
If CEGT (40/20): no much point diff. is expecting too!
Very likely, under SCCT conditions, we may see as
Depth4 exp to be better in performance..the reason,
Sometimes I use Bullet TC as well...but not 100 Elo,
In my guess, very likely 5-10 Elo than latest SF dev...but
100-200 Elo will be a dream...and as I said before, such
BIG elo Diff. can be archived via very handicapped cond.!

In other words, I can summarize all like that:
Under optimal conditions: 1-2 Elo difference!
Under handicapped cond. 30-40 Elo difference!
Actually even 100-200 Elo can be archived..but
Only via very weak openings...no more no less!

After all,
To be sure 100%..and for a better conclusions:
We need serious ratings, and frankly I pay much
Attention mainly on tours with strong openings!

That's all

Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:23 am
by deeds
IbaiBuR wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 12:18 am ...Dont take me wrong... I just think that arguing is so tiring and it is not the way to continue...

Hope you understand anyways
People tell me that as you can see above, Sedat has no intention of wasting his own century of book testing by acknowledging that learning engines perform better :arrow: he will continue to lie again and again :o

From our side, engine's trainers know how to find tons of out-of-book in all their opening books so we have the whole future ahead of us 8-)

Books, are you ready :?:
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Oops :oops:
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:lol: :lol: :lol:

Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Posted: Tue Aug 15, 2023 7:25 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
deeds wrote: Tue Aug 15, 2023 10:23 am People tell me that as you can see above, Sedat has no intention of wasting his own century of book testing by acknowledging that learning engines perform better :arrow: he will continue to lie again and again :o
Too boring...it's time to shut up your BIG mouth!
Just a few examples, where you prefer very often:
Sedat lies, Sedat is daily tester, Sedat-People etc.
Actually I hardly doubt you will ever stop..due to
Such guys (like you): never change theirs minds!!
But who knows? let's hope that I'm wrong..and since
You are PROGRAMMER, you may fix your MISTAKES..LOL

On other hand, I wonder too:
Where do you see a 'lie' by Me ? maybe, you mean
Depth4_Deeds have to be ranked higher than 36th ?
Because, as far as I noticed recently you said that
Your produced dababase is high-quality...come on ))
Test with handicapped openings..plus Bullet TC..LOL

Meanwhile (after checking your latest new link),
https://deeds.mynetgear.com/contenus/opening_books.html
I could not see the size of your Depth4 exp...?!
Is this info Top secret? give us some details please?)
And I suppose it is small size..if so..really good!
But if MUCH bigger than books sizes, not fair!
E.g like: Lightweight vs Heavyweight Wrestler!
Plus if Depth4 exp is private, again not fair!

One thing more,
Do you think that you are hero (via these tests)?
Taking the free public books vs your private exp..??
Btw, why you don't test the commercial books too?
Is that can be reason, you SCARE too much?
Commercial work vs Commercial work ???
If still not so clear, as far as I am aware,
All of your current played books are free and
Available...plus in same time, you request for
Your Depth4 exp such as 80+ EURO...not bad ))

By the way, a small REMINDER:
Next time OPEN your eyes, because Cedvet = Cubail

As final words,
Sure 'SCCT' will be as 'NIGHTMARE' for your side and
Welcome to the worst 'NIGHTMARE' of all: REALITY!

BYE BYE )