deeds_chess_system

deeds · Post by **deeds** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:40 am

Overall :

   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_050522.exp (Eman 8.10)     :      39     27   177.5     320  55.5   42  271    7  84.7       0     1
   2 Solista-010722.bin (Eman 8.10)    :       0   ----   142.5     320  44.5    7  271   42  84.7      39     1

White advantage = 23.31 +/- 13.36
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players                : avg. D33, 002 099 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 030 569 moves

depth4_050522 (eman 8.10)  : avg. D33, 001 930 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 016 795 moves
solista-010722 (eman 8.10) : avg. D34, 002 305 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 013 774 moves

Averages :
0 201 sec/game (3 min/game)
113 plies/game (096 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 002 950 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D31, 001 995 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D42, 001 367 ms/move

deeds · Post by **deeds** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:46 am

pawn-value based experience file : experience data purely trained by Eman engine until 8.40 release (before Nov 5, 2022 patch)

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Hubble 3.1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings (Hubble 3.1's Opening Rate : 100%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Hubble 3.1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : 20 first legal moves (Hubble 3.1's Opening Rate : 60%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :      36     82    22.0      40  55.0    5   34    1  85.0       0     1
   2 Hubble 3.1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----    18.0      40  45.0    1   34    5  85.0      36     1

White advantage = -35.52 +/- 41.80
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit (Hubble 3.1's Opening Rate : 16%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :      28     69    27.0      50  54.0    9   36    5  72.0       0     1
   2 Hubble 3.1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----    23.0      50  46.0    5   36    9  72.0      28     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 35.52
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings (Hubble 3.1's Opening Rate : 0%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :     103     53    63.5     100  63.5   29   69    2  69.0       0     1
   2 Hubble 3.1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----    36.5     100  36.5    2   69   29  69.0     103     1

White advantage = 89.28 +/- 26.91
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

link : games

deeds · Post by **deeds** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:48 am

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :      39     27   177.5     320  55.5   43  269    8  84.1       0     1
   2 Hubble 3.1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----   142.5     320  44.5    8  269   43  84.1      39     1

White advantage = 21.09 +/- 13.34
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players               : avg. D32, 002 211 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 030 239 moves

depth4_031222 (eman 8.30) : avg. D32, 002 016 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 016 619 moves
hubble 3.1 (eman 8.30)    : avg. D33, 002 449 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 013 620 moves

Averages :
0 209 sec/game (3 min/game)
112 plies/game (094 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 003 320 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D30, 001 980 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D40, 001 371 ms/move

deeds · Post by **deeds** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:54 am

pawn-value based experience file : experience data purely trained by Eman engine until 8.40 release (before Nov 5, 2022 patch)

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Mantis-DH1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings (Mantis-DH1's Opening Rate : 47%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Mantis-DH1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : 20 first legal moves (Mantis-DH1's Opening Rate : 55%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :       0     81    20.0      40  50.0    1   38    1  95.0       0     1
   2 Mantis-DH1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----    20.0      40  50.0    1   38    1  95.0       0     1

White advantage = -17.54 +/- 41.09
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit (Mantis-DH1's Opening Rate : 12%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :      42     70    28.0      50  56.0   10   36    4  72.0       0     1
   2 Mantis-DH1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----    22.0      50  44.0    4   36   10  72.0      42     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 35.28
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings (Mantis-DH1's Opening Rate : 2%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :     105     54    63.5     100  63.5   29   69    2  69.0       0     1
   2 Mantis-DH1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----    36.5     100  36.5    2   69   29  69.0     105     1

White advantage = 97.49 +/- 27.18
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

link : games

deeds · Post by **deeds** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 6:56 am

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_031222.exp (Eman 8.30)    :      36     27   176.5     320  55.2   40  273    7  85.3       0     1
   2 Mantis-DH1.bin (Eman 8.30)       :       0   ----   143.5     320  44.8    7  273   40  85.3      36     1

White advantage = 25.51 +/- 13.39
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players               : avg. D33, 002 212 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 030 503 moves

depth4_031222 (eman 8.30) : avg. D32, 001 991 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 016 980 moves
mantis-dh1 (eman 8.30)    : avg. D34, 002 490 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 013 523 moves

Averages :
0 211 sec/game (4 min/game)
114 plies/game (095 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D28, 003 704 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D30, 001 740 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D40, 001 236 ms/move

deeds · Post by **deeds** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 12:30 pm

cubail wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2023 11:43 pm

Until Eman 8.40, the experience data contained "pawn-value" based scores.
Since Eman 8.50, the experience data contains "WDL-model" based scores.

With an experience file which contains mixed scores, it's like a merged experience file from foreign engines => the hash of the engine is polluted => the strength of the engine is reduced => unfair conditions on tourney !

The "pawn-value" based scores are higher than "WDL-model" based scores => the learning thresholds are no longer respected => wrong training settings !

All engine trainers can confirm this.

hungtranvn · Post by **hungtranvn** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 1:31 pm

Dear Deeds!!

I am using Eman 8.91, probably it has fixed errors in Eman 8.40. Download at Open-chess I see binbook pre-installed.
Thanks to you to see for me to set up to train Experience File Must Play their Most Most Effective Moves has reached the standard yet?
Thank you very much

deeds · Post by **deeds** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:07 pm

I don't use Eman releases newer than 8.40 so i don't know if Khalid fixed bugs or added new ones. I enough answered questions and shared tools. People already have a lot of literature.

hungtranvn · Post by **hungtranvn** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 2:27 pm

Eman has binbook pre -installed, do not know if it affects Experience

cubail · Post by **cubail** » Fri Jun 23, 2023 7:45 pm

DRAGON-7, Blitz 2.0min+1.0sec 4 core frıtz17 gui syzgyz 6 man Intel(R) Xeon(R) CPU E5-2690 0 @ 2.90GHz play 200 games

1 2 3 4 5
1 AI 27.0_ad9b x64m ** 0.0/0 0.00 ---5.8 mb expencıve file play
2 SpecTral GNX 2.40_m ** 0.0/0 0.00 ---6.6 mb expencıve file play
3 RapTora 2.2-modern ** 0.0/0 0.00 ---5.9 mb expencıve file play
4 EMAN 8.91 64-bit SSE41,POPCNT ** 0.0/0 0.00 ---1.5 gb expencıve file play
5 EMAN 8.91 64-bit SSE41,POPCNTa ** 0.0/0 0.00 ---HCanFree-Upd.bin
all games draw

DRAGON-7, Blitz 2.0min+1.0sec 2023

1 2 3 4 5
1 AI 27.0_ad9b x64m 10.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.0** 40.0/80 1600.00
2 SpecTral GNX 2.40_m 10.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.0 ** 40.0/80 1600.00
3 RapTora 2.2-modern 10.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.0 ** 40.0/80 1600.00
4 EMAN 8.91 64-bit SSE41,POPCNT 10.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.0 ** 40.0/80 1600.00
5 EMAN 8.91 64-bit SSE41,POPCNTa 10.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.010.0 - 10.0 ** 40.0/80 1600.00

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