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Re: SedatChess
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:55 pm
by OrgZ
Sedat Canbaz wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:37 am
Update
Ultimate League - NNUE vs NON-NNUE:
Meanwhile, it is a shocking news is that,
After checking more closely... I've noticed also that
Everest NON-NN book is managed to perform better:
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1 Everest NON-NN +12/-8/=30 54.00% 27.0/50
2 OlisFish 260923 +8/-12/=30 46.00% 23.0/50
What I can say more over these important issues,
A superior strong book is something like that,
May win even via disadvantage test conditions!
Greetings
The chess world is indeed balanced
. we got good book makers and good engine makers. though book makers depend on engine makers
. seems skynet's books have got some venom
is not everyday where you see them performing poorly
Re: SedatChess
Posted: Wed Oct 11, 2023 9:49 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
OrgZ wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 8:55 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote: Wed Oct 11, 2023 7:37 am
Update
Ultimate League - NNUE vs NON-NNUE:
Meanwhile, it is a shocking news is that,
After checking more closely... I've noticed also that
Everest NON-NN book is managed to perform better:
Code: Select all
1 Everest NON-NN +12/-8/=30 54.00% 27.0/50
2 OlisFish 260923 +8/-12/=30 46.00% 23.0/50
What I can say more over these important issues,
A superior strong book is something like that,
May win even via disadvantage test conditions!
Greetings
The chess world is indeed balanced
. we got good book makers and good engine makers. though book makers depend on engine makers
. seems skynet's books have got some venom
is not everyday where you see them performing poorly
Well-said )
By the way,
I started another new strength testings (not as championship),
Where the target is to see the NNUE vs NON influences, plus
Using various time controls etc....
One thing more, in your case...(since your Raid 3 TR book could not qualify...)
I will test Raid book via Raubfish SC NNUE vs same 3 Champs opponents...so later
We will have some new data.. more details very soon and please stay tuned...
Greetings )
Re: SedatChess
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:24 am
by OrgZ
Thanks.
This test is very interesting but am definitely sure nnue will dominate
Re: SedatChess
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 11:06 am
by Sedat Canbaz
OrgZ wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 5:24 am
Thanks.
This test is very interesting but am definitely sure nnue will dominate
Are you sure that NNUE will be dominant ?)
For example, according to new strength testings V:
DON Hercules 2 played even via Cfish 030820 NON-NNUE
This is not all.. I set 2m+1s for DON Hercules's book,
Where Lion 110423 book is played via Raubfish SC NNUE
Besides, I set 4m+2s for Lion 110423's opening book
And even under disadvantage test conditions,
DON NON-NNUE performed about 56 Elo better:
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1 DON Hercules 2 NON-NN +16/-8/=26 58.00% 29.0/50
2 Lion 110423 NNUE +8/-16/=26 42.00% 21.0/50
What I can say more,
Once more we noticed that DON fully deserves 'Hercules' name !)
Ok...that's all for now...I have many other new testings..
So..soon as possible, I hope to share all latest results
Greetings )
Re: SedatChess
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 12:32 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
Strength Testings V's page is created, for more details:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... testings-5
Re: SedatChess
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:55 pm
by Ding-Bat
Lion book in fairness is not a top book.
Just a thought
Re: SedatChess
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:04 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
Ding-Bat wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 1:55 pm
Lion book in fairness is not a top book.
Just a thought
Well, I can not say that,
Lion 110423 is a weak book...even it is a strong one!
E.g managed to qualify in recent organized book tours..
But there is one true,
It seems Lion's used opening lines suffer vs DON Hercules's used lines!
And it does not matter much...e.g via NNUE assistance, doubled TC etc.
Greetings
Re: SedatChess
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:39 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
Here is another new test, where all played via Raubfish SC via 30sec+0.5sec,
Exception, only DON NON-NN book is played by Cfish 030820 via 2min+1sec
Under these cond... it's clear that NNUE is much stronger than NON-NNUE
E.g if we comparing..NNUE Bullet is about
40 Elo over Blitz NON-NNUE
(Sure I'm referring..if we are comparing both DON Hercules's recent results)
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Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
1 ORIONPAX3 3768 7 8 600 52% 3753 89%
2 Everest 300923 3763 8 8 600 52% 3753 84%
3 DON Hercules 2 3763 8 8 550 51% 3756 90%
4 LesChats 071023 3762 8 8 600 51% 3753 88%
5 CachoSCCT opt 3757 8 8 600 51% 3754 91%
6 OlisFish 260923 3757 8 8 600 51% 3754 94%
7 ShadRach 3757 8 8 600 50% 3754 88%
8 OPTIMUS 4 3756 8 8 600 50% 3754 94%
9 SENTINEL 2 3755 8 8 600 50% 3754 91%
10 Zaytsev 3750 8 8 600 49% 3754 91%
11 Pimienta 3749 8 8 600 49% 3754 87%
12 Red Dragon 3741 8 7 600 48% 3755 88%
13 DON NON-NN 2m1s 3724 8 7 550 45% 3756 80%
DON NON-NN 2m1s = DON Hercules 2 by Cfish 030820, used 2min+1sec
More results coming soon...
Re: SedatChess
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:46 pm
by Ding-Bat
Everest vs Don h would be an interesting none NNUE vs NNUE
Re: SedatChess
Posted: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:53 pm
by Sedat Canbaz
Ding-Bat wrote: Thu Oct 12, 2023 2:46 pm
Everest vs Don h would be an interesting none NNUE vs NNUE
Ok...I will run it unofficially... and soon as possible..
But very likely,
The results will be ended in favor for DON...
