Re: when a daily tester should review his tests

[ConRog]

Hi,

I confirm : my post was in " LesChats110423" topic in another forum, and referring to a tournament organized by Goi with non NNUE engine, and bullet games 1+0.5.

SCCT tournaments are tuned to create good games in all conditions, even with non NNUE engines.

Best regards.

[deeds]

...i wonder how many days/weeks it will take to someone to find it and maybe tell it to Sedat

Already 1 day

[deeds]

Too late, Conrog ! Sedat already understood :

...But I admit also that (when NNUE as enabled)
Some of my tours are Blitz + MP + Ponder ON
Where in most cases, their draw-ratio was 99%

The old era of static chess with opening books is dying since people train learning engines. In computer chess era, it became absurd to run engines from starting position. Fishtest uses opening lists, Stockfish doesn't handle books, we have tools to reveal openings handled or not by books, it's the end.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hi,

I confirm : my post was in " LesChats110423" topic in another forum, and referring to a tournament organized by Goi with non NNUE engine, and bullet games 1+0.5.

SCCT tournaments are tuned to create good games in all conditions, even with non NNUE engines.

Best regards.

Many thanks for your valuable comments!

Greetings

[deeds]

"yes like many (2015)... there are too many draws, no interest from startpos in computer chess era..."

Sedat just confirmed it so you were right, thanks again !

As Sarona did at Chess2U, now is the time to ignore the AlexChess team and his sponsors (Sedat, Anton101, Homayun, ZamChess, Conrog, etc).

Our recent contacts among the creators of opening books will bring us new sparring-partners for learning engines. In return, i offered tools, new v3.x file formats. I saw many book's creators already fixed their books attached to my "exp vs book" training games, good point.

We will still have a lot of fun seeing the Sedat-like fidgeting, not understanding the advice, ignoring the evidence, remaining unanswered, they sabotaged their results in 2022, I bet it will be the same in 2023...

That's all for me, good luck !

[ConRog]

The old era of static chess with opening books is dying since people train learning engines. In computer chess era, it became absurd to run engines from starting position. Fishtest uses opening lists, Stockfish doesn't handle books, we have tools to reveal openings handled or not by books, it's the end.

Hi deeds,

I don't think the era of engines, plying with well tuned opening books, is dying.

The goal of opening books is to go fast, and without loosing any microsecond, on maximum depth and on the best position, so that the engine will keep all remaining time to play maximum strength VS opponent which will have little time left because of losing precious seconds before the end of book line.

Good books will always beat a learning engine at all time controls.

Best regards.

[deeds]

I don't think the era of engines, plying with well tuned opening books, is dying.

I'm not surprised if most book's authors still believe it too no one want to believe that his daily work is a dying activity, especially those who have been doing this for decades. But hey, it's not as if it wasn't obvious and as if we hadn't warned them.

The goal of opening books is to go fast, and without loosing any microsecond, on maximum depth and on the best position, so that the engine will keep all remaining time to play maximum strength VS opponent which will have little time left because of losing precious seconds before the end of book line.

This is exactly what the other book's authors have explained to me which is why, now, they want to collaborate with engine's trainers.
With neural networks, the engines guess the same moves as the book's moves (100% ponder) so when the book is out-of-book the time saved by its engine is already useless this technique leads to 99% draws => it's a technique dying.

Good books will always beat a learning engine at all time controls.

Even under stupid conditions or sabotaged results, SCCT showed the opposite and several times
By reinforcing experience data, we already showed how a learning engine can resist to odd tc (=opponent with 4x, 5x and even 6x longer TC).
When a learning engine wins more games than an engine with an opening book, it is absurd to believe that the opening book was not good or that the TC was not favorable.
As Ibaibur explained, those who still believe this have a complete misunderstanding of the performance of experience data. Nothing surprising because this lack of knowledge is carefully maintained by daily testers.

[deeds]

...now is the time to ignore the AlexChess team and his sponsors (Sedat, Anton101, Homayun, ZamChess, Conrog, etc)...

it's been done for days now !

The decision was made in concert with knowledgeable people, friends, clients and family to ignore them for life.

Main reason given : "DeeDs must avoid helping cheaters as much as possible."
Secondary reason given : "unenlighted daily testers are useless since engine's trainers are using private communication channels between them."


Consequently :



Leads to :



And unenlighted daily testers will remain unenlighted

[deeds]

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And after checking your own thread..no any new replays to you !!
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Weird because i found unexpected and spontaneous replies like these ones :


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[deeds]

You are on my thread, because you're forgotten by many ..hehe ))

Weird because 2024 still seems quite recent to me :


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