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orgfert wrote:

thorstenczub wrote:

orgfert wrote: Polycarp disproves this fantasy scenario. He was a "hearer of John" the Apostle before 100 AD. His writing quotes almost every book of the New Testament, proving that the extant codices of the Christian New Testament are not evolve by "Caesarian section".

guys all those older "writers" faked the texts.

there is no source that is not forgery and pure fantasy.

Then Ceasar did not exist either. He's just a story quoted by a lot of people. All forgeries. All claims to eye-witness of Caesar are faked. This "logic" cuts both ways, Mr. Czub.

For caesar there is evidence, for jesus hear said and forgery.
there are no jewish sources talking about jesus. Jsus was a common name like miller or schmitt or clark.

thorstenczub wrote:

orgfert wrote:

thorstenczub wrote:

orgfert wrote: Polycarp disproves this fantasy scenario. He was a "hearer of John" the Apostle before 100 AD. His writing quotes almost every book of the New Testament, proving that the extant codices of the Christian New Testament are not evolve by "Caesarian section".

guys all those older "writers" faked the texts.

there is no source that is not forgery and pure fantasy.

Then Ceasar did not exist either. He's just a story quoted by a lot of people. All forgeries. All claims to eye-witness of Caesar are faked. This "logic" cuts both ways, Mr. Czub.

For caesar there is evidence, for jesus hear said and forgery.
there are no jewish sources talking about jesus. Jsus was a common name like miller or schmitt or clark.

So anyone named Schmitt or Clark never existed. All Schimtts and Clarks are forgeries. Hehe.

FYI, all history is hear-say. So now you are informed of the great secret. All is hear-say. There is no better support for Caesar than for Jesus. If we learn from you, Julius Caesar is just another Roman god who was a fable, a fake, a forgery, no such person. All persons of history are hear-said, and so fake, forgeries and never existed.

jesus is no historical person. caesar is. caesar existed.
we have people who knew him (eye witnesses) who wrote down about him.
he is on coins.
and those coins have been made during his life time.

with jesus, there is nothing like this. all people who wrote down something about him,
did it without knowing him in person.
all hear said. he is no historical person. the lack of this was a problem for the early christians, therefore they faked the sources.

this is all known. i wonder why we have to discuss it here again.

thorstenczub wrote: jesus is no historical person. caesar is. caesar existed.
we have people who knew him (eye witnesses) who wrote down about him.
he is on coins.
and those coins have been made during his life time.

There are also coins with gods on them. All fake. All myth. All writings about Caesar are fiction, made up. Like Egyptian fake gods and pharaohs, made up stories of gods and men, all to make egypt look good. They piled the bullshit high in egypt, rome, alexander, etc. All faked up, hear-said fairy tales.

thorstenczub wrote:with jesus, there is nothing like this. all people who wrote down something about him,
did it without knowing him in person. all hear said. he is no historical person. the lack of this was a problem for the early christians, therefore they faked the sources.

this is all known. i wonder why we have to discuss it here again.

It is the same for Caesar. Fake gods, fake Caesars, fake Schmitts. I just "proved" Caesar is a forgery using your methods, your logic, your arguments. It's easy.

thorstenczub wrote:For caesar there is evidence.

All forgeries. Look, even chess tournaments are fake.
http://www.open-chess.org/viewtopic.php?p=14288#p14288

All fake. It's so easy to make fake stuff. Make fake coins, monuments, statues, all fake, all mythical people. Chess tournaments, all fake, all hear-said.

You say you attended WCCC? It is hear-say. All you guys who are "witnesses" collaborate to invent a tournament that never was. Forgery, hear-say. All fake. Fake photos, fake cardboard computers. All fake. Your history of CC is fake. All made up. Forgeries.

This is your level of "prove".

it seems you don't understand. caesar is a historical person. he existed. like napoleon or abraham lincoln or hitler. there are eye-witnesses and evidence.

for jesus there is nothing like that. nobody has seen him with own eyes.
there is hear said. and no proof, no evidence.

maybe you cannot differenciate between these 2 things.

caesar existed while jesus is a person like micky-mouse/superman.

an invention.

thorstenczub wrote:it seems you don't understand. caesar is a historical person. he existed. like napoleon or abraham lincoln or hitler. there are eye-witnesses and evidence.

for jesus there is nothing like that. nobody has seen him with own eyes.
there is hear said. and no proof, no evidence.

maybe you cannot differenciate between these 2 things.

caesar existed while jesus is a person like micky-mouse/superman.

an invention.

It is you who do not understand. All history is hear-said. QED.

ok. look. there is this president of united states. his name is barak obama.
and there was osama bin laden.

these people exist(ed).

then you can watch a movie about silver surfer, iron man 2, green lantern and
captain america.

now lets wait 1000 years.

in 1000 years people will find evidence that barak obama existed as president of united states, and they will find out about OBL , a mean terrorist, and they will maybe find the movies about the marvel-super-heroes. and they will NOT come to the opinion that the silver surfer existed. they will call it fiction, Science fiction movie, or comic-hero.
this is like jesus. he is a myth. something like captain america. or green lantern.

there are books and movies about him, but he did not exist.

its not all hear said.

we can find out which people existed and which people never existed.

and with jesus and caesar, it is clear that jesus did not exist while caesar did exist.

in the same way it is clear that iron man is a fantasy figure, while osama bin laden was a real person.

you point of view is that of a child who cannot differenciate between real world and fantasy heroes. a child believes in santa claus and superman.

for you jesus is real. like superman or thor or hulk or the fantastic for or spiderman are real for my son.

my son is 6.
he learns that there is real life and fantasy world. and learns to differenciate between
myth and reality.

something you should also try to learn.

try to read
http://nobeliefs.com/exist.htm

there it is explained what the difference is.

thorstenczub wrote:and with jesus and caesar, it is clear that jesus did not exist while caesar did exist.

in the same way it is clear that iron man is a fantasy figure, while osama bin laden was a real person.

you point of view is that of a child who cannot differenciate between real world and fantasy heroes. a child believes in santa claus and superman.

for you jesus is real. like superman or thor or hulk or the fantastic for or spiderman are real for my son.

Thor? A scandinavian god. Caesar? A roman god. They are the same. fake, forgeries, comic book figures of ancient times. They even have statues and busts of the fake gods. This is so easy.

I can't lose with your logic. It's ironclad. All history is hear-say, especially ancient history. Just stories. You cannot produce the body of Caesar nor point to his grave. For that matter, you cannot produce the body of bin-laden, a hollywood fake, like the moon landings. Bin-laden, a hoax created by rumsfeld and cheney. See, I always win when I use your "logic".

thorstenczub wrote:jesus is no historical

with jesus, there is nothing like this. all people who wrote down something about him,
did it without knowing him in person.

You are wrong.
Saint John was Jesus pupil, saw Him, travelled with Him and wrote about him Evangelia and Apocalypsis.
Saint Peter, Andrew etc His pupils knew him and wrote about him.

Open your eyes to that.