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here the elo results from this tournament:

Rank Name Elo + - games score oppo. draws
1 Houdini_15_x64 [t1] 2961 61 57 155 80% 2693 22%
2 Tinapa1.01 [t1] 2940 57 55 155 78% 2693 28%
3 Deep Rybka 4 x64 [t1] 2926 55 53 155 77% 2694 35%
4 Stockfish-18-64-ja [t1] 2921 56 54 155 75% 2694 30%
5 Houdini103_x64_1CPU 2904 54 52 156 74% 2696 33%
6 DeepSaros23c4-win32 2899 54 53 152 75% 2690 36%
7 Fire_131_x64_KLO [t1] 2890 53 51 156 72% 2696 37%
8 Crab-x64_PGO [t1] 2887 54 53 156 71% 2696 29%
9 Critter_0.90_64bit [t1] 2877 52 51 156 71% 2697 37%
10 Stockfish-191-64-ja [t1] 2875 56 54 148 71% 2685 30%
11 IvanHoe53_64 [t1] 2861 52 51 154 68% 2696 36%
12 Komodo64-4020.10 [default] 2846 52 51 156 65% 2698 36%
13 Crab-x64_PGO [t 2820 51 51 168 67% 2650 37%
14 Komodo-12-64-ja 2806 52 51 158 59% 2701 32%
15 Tinapa1.01 [EN setting] 2803 50 50 156 59% 2699 40%
16 Critter_0.70_64bit [t1] 2790 54 53 145 60% 2684 34%
17 Deepsjeng2010_32_ct 2781 51 51 158 56% 2701 34%
18 Naum4.2_64 [t1] 2780 52 52 158 57% 2701 27%
19 Spark-1.0-win64-mp [t1] 2730 56 56 141 51% 2683 27%
20 Gull 1_1 x64 2726 51 52 159 47% 2703 33%
21 DeepShredder12UCIx64 [t1] 2715 53 53 157 47% 2703 29%
22 Deep-onno-1-2-70-x64 [t1] 2647 54 55 159 39% 2706 26%
23 Hiarcs12MPUCI [t1] 2639 55 57 159 38% 2706 19%
24 Zappa Mexico II x64 [t1] 2625 56 58 158 36% 2706 22%
25 Hannibal1.0ax64 2588 61 63 137 34% 2688 23%
26 Crafty-234-64-ja 2565 56 59 160 29% 2708 25%
27 Gaviota0.80-win-64 2547 283 595 5 10% 2820 20%
28 Spike 1.2 2521 60 63 160 26% 2709 18%
29 ChessTiger2007.1 2459 65 70 160 21% 2711 13%
30 Now2t 2428 66 71 159 18% 2711 16%
31 TornadoChess4.0_x64 2398 69 76 161 16% 2711 12%
32 Jonny400 2395 78 86 133 18% 2700 8%
33 ChessTiger2007.1 [gambit] 2269 83 97 161 9% 2715 9%
34 Dragon 4.6 2176 633 983 2 0% 2820 0%
35 ProDeo 1.5 2039 122 166 161 2% 2722 4%
36 Arasanx12.2-64 2023 576 836 5 0% 2820 0%
37 Hermann_2.6_64 1884 267 539 36 1% 2716 3%

Thanks thorstenczub.

It's well established that Houdini 1.5 is stronger than Deep Rybka 4 at any given time control games but I wasn't also aware Tinapa 1.01 is even stronger than Deep Rybka 4! This is a surprise.

Congratulations to the creator of Houdini, The new nº1 !!!! After doing some test marathon there are positions where Ivanhoe´s serie takes a "long time" and Houdini finds the solution in an instant. Wow! For example-FEN: 1qb2rk1/3p1pp1/1p6/1pbBp3/r5p1/3QB3/PPP2P1P/2KR2R1 w - - 0 1

Only one request: I preferred the shape of the previous release, which released a compiler for each type of CPU.

An "Ippo" fan

Prima wrote:It's well established that Houdini 1.5 is stronger than Deep Rybka 4 at any given time control games.

...tests at very long time control are still being experimented...

Tinapa 1.01 is even stronger than Deep Rybka 4!

All you are allowed to say, is that in this particular tournament Tinapa did better than Rybka.

Tinapa being a slightly modified Stockfish, I don't think it is better than Rybka.

Thank you for the new release, it feels like christmas already!

ernest wrote: ...tests at very long time control are still being experimented...

I have used Houdini 1.5 at both LTC & STC and Houdini 1.5 never fails with occasional draws, besides books and hardware factor.

All you are allowed to say, is that in this particular tournament Tinapa did better than Rybka.

And what if I step over all I'm allowed to say, then what? . Are the Rybka-fan boys going to chop-off my head? ? Or censor me more intensely? Maybe even ban me from Rybka forum for even daring to see the light & truth of the day? Oh my!...I'm scared. I really am.

Cheers, and happy holidays .

Prima wrote:And what if I step over all I'm allowed to say, then what?

OK, I will rephrase it: all you are allowed to say, without making a fool of yourself...
One rainy day does not mean it rains every day!

ernest wrote:OK, I will rephrase it: all you are allowed to say, without making a fool of yourself...
One rainy day does not mean it rains every day!

Have you taken a look lately at most test sites, excluding ccrl and cegt? I guess all these independent, unbiased testers including Sedat, Thorstenczub, IPON, including my personal tests and experience with Houdini against Deep Rybka 4 etc, that shows beyond doubt, Houdini 1.5 is in fact stronger than Deep Rybka 4 at any TC games must be making a fool of themselves - without actual facts to support such claim that Houdini 1.5 is stronger than Deep Rybka 4.

If Fruit 2.1 won few games (i.e, 5 out of 100 games) against a stronger engine, say Deep Rybka 4, does that mean Fruit 2.1 is actually stronger than Deep Rybka 4 which had a 95% win games? Unlikely. The same argument can be made for Deep Rybka 4, based on numbers of games and high statistical data that Deep Rybka 4 is stronger than Fruit 2.1 - especially on a consistent and variety of tests basis. Wouldn't you agree?

But this isn't the case with Houdini 1.5 vs. Deep Rybka 4. Houdini outperforms Deep Rybka 4. Not by a small statistical margin but on a constant basis in any given Time Control game observed.

Therefore, Houdini 1.5's high statistical & constant wins over Deep Rybka 4 has nothing to do with "one rainy day does not mean it rains every day". Like it or not, Houdini 1.5 is stronger than Deep Rybka - irrespective of my opinion or anyone's. This is a fact.

Come on Prima, you didn't read me carefully...

Concerning Houdini-Rybka, no doubt Houdini beats Rybka very soundly, but we are still missing data with very LTC: so let's wait for completion of NATIONAL12's match, reported in the Rybka Forum.

The "One rainy day does not mean it rains every day!" is relative to Tinapa's performance in Thorsten's tournament. Nothing to do with Houdini!

ernest wrote:Come on Prima, you didn't read me carefully...

Concerning Houdini-Rybka, no doubt Houdini beats Rybka very soundly, but we are still missing data with very LTC: so let's wait for completion of NATIONAL12's match, reported in the Rybka Forum.

The "One rainy day does not mean it rains every day!" is relative to Tinapa's performance in Thorsten's tournament. Nothing to do with Houdini!

I think I'm tired or anxious...with Christmas approaching. Yes we both agree Houdini 1.5 is stronger than Deep Rybka 4. Somehow, in my mist of exhaustion, I misinterpreted your statement as doubtful of Houdini's strength. Pardon me.

And yes, I know the statement "One rainy day does not mean it rains every day!" is figurative and not in the literal sense. But I was kind of taken aback that Tinapa 1.01 did well in Thorstenzcub's tests. Of course this isn't to be expected on a constant basis.

Speaking of which, do you by any chance, have the 64-bit version of this Tinapa 1.01 ? The other modified Stockfish variant, Crab 1.0 beta, is available in both 32 & 64-bit but not the Tinapa 1.01. If you or any one have the Tinapa 1.01 64-bit , I would like to have it. Thanks in advance.