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Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2025 4:08 pm**

Sedat Canbaz wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:38 pm Breaking News - 11.03.2025:
The ongoing competition is ended, many thanks and congrats to all players!
About latest update, as you may see too, I realized to create and test more..
And no BIG surprise that all current 'pocket fighters' are performed not bad !
Some notes about my non-hand tuned deep lines: SCCT 23-24 is based on
Top eng games, played by Balsa, Unique openings during 2023-2024 years,
Where SCCT 22-24w = Balsa and Unique too, but on only 2022-2024's wins
Note also I picked games, played in Book Tours..I mean not Eng Tours wins,
Otherwise, TONS of wins will be... then very likely will pass size rule (3 MB),
CEDR is also non-hand tuned...which is based on CEDR's strong openings!
Yes..mentioned above non hand-tuned books can be used as good indicator
About which well hand tuned..I mean here for TREND lines..before this tour!
To be more clear, in this tourney: non of my created ones are hand tuned etc.
Btw, what we noticed also here, via organizing current Online Like Book CS?
Many of the Online players strength are not so correct...exc. 'cherry picking'
Plus as other influence, processor speed diff. have BIG impact over strength..
In short: a complete mess issue about to see the strongest Online players..!
Actually there is always solution...but for this, similar serious tours required..
Otherwise..e.g without running this CS...we would not know about all, right?.
Yes under SCCT cond. is harder but much clear...usually 'best' ones on Top:
DON, Esculapio, HCAN, Skynet, Btw, OrgZ's points are impressive as well )
Even 2023's oldies: Everest, Unicornio, Red-Dragon Der..are still great too!
On other hand, IA-Horus with best points on Lichess but here far way to be!
Sure as same words going for Spiritofthenewyear, caissa-ai, LeelaMultiPoss..
Or other strange Online stats, some produced even close to 10-15% draws
But all experienced testers are aware that under serious and more fair cond.
The draws are much higher e.g via less drawish engine (Raubfish SC) 88%,
Or playing under optimal cond. (MP, Ponder ON, slower TC ) is almost 99%
Sure I refer for overall draws but with individuals, these draw stats may vary,
But no much ways to see less than 70% exc. via weak engines / openings!
At least for nowadays it seems to be so..maybe in future, we will see better
Engines, where may appear less draw ratio.. but till to this date I think that
We have to work harder and smarter!..sure this is other question, anyhow
I'm pretty sure also that many of Online players think such as they are best..
But for this, I'm announcing again: Prove it! Don't be afraid, Come and Win )
Here is much more fair, a friendly place, full of fun, via many strong players..
As reference, almost all Top 20's ranks... belong to frequent SCCT authors!
And someones may say also as: my book is doing better as MP + Blitz etc.
Good.. but just in that case...any fools' book will do better...) And moreover,
It's almost impossible to see wins, but before NNUE my tours were MP, Blitz
But in latest years, most tours played: 1 Core, Bullet and as usual I say over:
What is the point of using BIG umbrella, when no MUCH rain on the horizon!
And as final words, the ones, who cheats can't fool anyone but themselves!
Thank you for taking time to read, for showing interest, enjoy every moment!

Online Like's Champion: DON Hercules - My Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!

FOR FINAL STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-42

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/X0Ah1SwT#53eWxz1hr ... zyVzDgJd0U

Have fun,
Sedat

My understanding, Sedat:

1. Championship Overview & Results:
- Tournament concluded successfully on March 11, 2025
- Winner: DON Hercules 4 (created by organizer, credits to Vasid Chouhan)
- 131 participants competed
- Overall draw percentage: 88% (based on 86,268 games)

2. Top 5 Performers
- DON Hercules 4: 3800 ELO, 55% score
- Skynet 180724: 3793 ELO, 54% score
- Esculapio X: 3793 ELO, 53% score
- HCAN X: 3790 ELO, 53% score
- OrgZ: 3790 ELO, 53% score

3. Tournament Standards & Quality Control
- Book size limit: 3MB (uncompressed)
- Minimum requirement: 700 games per entry
- Top-ranked books: 1000+ games played
- Standardized testing conditions using Raubfish X48c3 SC

4. Strategic Insights
- Strong correlation between frequent SCCT authors and top 20 rankings
- Online player ratings proved less reliable than tournament performance
- Processing speed differences significantly impact strength assessment
- Tournament provided clearer evaluation metrics than online rankings

5. Impact
- Established new benchmarks for chess engine performance
- Created transparent evaluation framework
- Validated importance of controlled testing environments
- Demonstrated need for standardized competition conditions

Summary: This championship establishes standards for chess engine evaluation while identifying areas for future development in competitive chess programming. Thanks!

Posted: **Tue Mar 11, 2025 6:25 pm**

@ Supernova

Thank you very much, I appreciate for your spent time and efforts and undoubtedly,
Not many people can describe my chess activities in that professional way, as yours!

Greetings from Antalya )

Posted: **Thu Mar 13, 2025 1:41 pm**

Hello Dear Chess Friends,

As usually, I'm very pleased to announce that
Another exciting Duel series are coming soon!

What is New?
This time Duel conditions will be much 'unfair' than
All previous organized matches..due to in planing Duel,
All Experience files or Exp Books (based on Exp lines),
Will be played by Eman 8.40, where all of Top Books
Will be played by Raubfish X48c3 SC and according to
Latest strength tests, Raubsfish SC is about 21+ Elo
Weacker than Eman 8.40 and meanwhile, just don't say:
I wish all Exp to be via 40+ or 50+ Elo stronger than Raubfish..
Actually who knows ?) if Top opening books will be Winner..
Sure maybe later, I may try 47+ Elo, just for fun..right ?)
E.g Top Book via Raubfiash, where EXP by Judas++ 1.02
Because between both, it's about 50+ Elo difference...

But anyhow, frankly this time, I suppose that
The Exp to be Winner, since 21+ Elo strength will play
As serious advantage role..such as you play via 1 Core,
Where you Online opponents.. play with many cores!

In other words (in the planning new duel matches):
The opening books will be played via BIG disadvantage,
That never seen before..and this is not as 1st April joke,
I'm very serious here!

I wonder much (under unbalanced/handicapped cond.)
And exc. Me..many of you are wondering as well... )
What will be the influences...e.g in almost all tours,
The Top opening books performed better.. not one, but
Rather I'd say 'several steps' in front of many Exp files!
But I admit too, some strong Exp files defeated many
Books as well.. but in overall, Book is Book!! proved
Not once not twice...many many times over and over!

Ok that's all for now, more details soon as possible..
Exc. here are the latest played new strength results:

JudaS vs Raubfish SC: 47 Elo diff. (in favor for JudaS)

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1   JudaS 1.02         +118/-34/=473 56.72%  354.5/625
2   Raubfish X48c3 SC  +34/-118/=473 43.28%  270.5/625

Note: Time Control is used: 15s+0.5s / Draw Ratio: 76%

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Eman vs Raubfish SC : 21 Elo diff. (in favor for Eman)

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1   Eman 8.40          +62/-32/=406 53.00%  265.0/500
2   Raubfish X48c3 SC  +32/-62/=406 47.00%  235.0/500

Note: Here Time Control used: 30s+0.5s/ Draw Ratio: 81%
And both Duels are played with Unique suite openings,
Rest cond. used as same as the planing Duels matches...

GAMES:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/xqgJUxW8

Have Fun

Posted: **Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:21 pm**

UPDATE

As 1st start,
I will create a book, which will be tuned to prefer
Depth4 Exp Series, played in latest months of 2025!
Where his opponents will be used to play Top books!
Sure later, I hope to test more EXP book/file series..

And as usually,
According to Deed 2025's tests too..his Depth4 Exp
Performed via highest points on his PC: 2405 Elo
E.g much better than all..right ? but we will see..
SCCT's Arena is harder, at least for opening books!

And just to be more clear:

Deeds tests and SCCT tours are completely
Different cond. platforms... a few examples:
1st. I am independent TD, since 1997/1998
2nd. I'll use different but much newer books
3rd. I'll use weaker engine for Top books, where
For Exp book lines, a stronger engine: 20+ Elo.
4th. SCCT's Top players proved on same PC /
Online game-play that they are one of best!
5th. Deeds tests are mystery..no reference via
Online /on same PC (by trusted independent TDs)

Btw, here are latest Deeds EXP results of 2025..
And to be honest..just unbelievable performance..

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Rank    Player                  Elo    Games
1	Depth4 EXP 2025	        2405   3327
2	Cute_130523 	        2360	317
3	Sentinel_160623 	2353	310
4	Cani_230323	        2352	317
5	Solista_Attack_v3	2351	313
6	NebulaRing178 		2349	318
7	ThunderWizard_310822	2348	319
8	Brain_110323 		2348	316
9	StudentChess_140123	2347	308
10	CallMeX_011122		2345	320
11	M13.8 		        2342	317
12	DCbook Large 	        2300	172

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Thu Mar 13, 2025 3:42 pm**

Just I'd like to add,

All Deepth4 2025's doubles are removed from the database..
That's why some players contain less some more games etc.

Posted: **Thu Mar 13, 2025 6:06 pm**

UPDATE 2

1st of all, Congratulations and many thanks to all players..and
Unfortunately Depth4 2015 lost..strange..about 18 Elo worse..

Frankly, this is really as shocking news!! since Depth4 2015
Played by Eman 8.40, where all his opponents (Top 5 books)
Played by 20+Elo weaker chess engine: Raubshish X48c3 SC
Moreover, Depth4 EXP file was clearly better (as winner) on Deeds PC ...

What does it mean ? Any opinions ? maybe Depth4 is required to be
Played by JudaS, which is about 50+ Elo stronger than Raubfish SC..
Who knows? maybe only then Depth4 will be Winner (in overall) ?!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 Depth4 2015                   -18      14     400   47.4%   82.3% 
   1 Esculapio X                    35      40      80   55.0%   72.5% 
   2 HCAN X                         30      30      80   54.4%   83.8% 
   3 Skynet 180724                  17      24      80   52.5%   90.0% 
   4 OrgZ                           13      28      80   51.9%   86.3% 
   5 DON Hercules 4                 -4      35      80   49.4%   78.8% 

400 of 400 games finished.

And here just another new Duel is started:
But this time a strong Experience vs Top Books

In short, all players are original (not created by Me),
Spectral 041224.exp file is playing by Eman 8.40 again...
Where all Top books are playing by Raubshish X48c3 SC
And as before, EXP file via 20+ Elo stronger engine..

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Rank Name                         Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 Spectral 041224               0       0      10   50.0%  100.0% 
   1 OPTIMUS2409                   0       0       4   50.0%  100.0% 
   2 MegaTron RevA                 0       0       6   50.0%  100.0% 
   3 HCan 170125                 nan     nan       0    nan%    nan% 
   4 Esculapio                   nan     nan       0    nan%    nan% 
   5 DynamicS                    nan     nan       0    nan%    nan% 
   6 DON 130125                  nan     nan       0    nan%    nan% 

10 of 420 games finished.

GOOD LUCK TO ALL PLAYERS )

Posted: **Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:05 pm**

Sedat Canbaz wrote: Tue Mar 11, 2025 2:38 pm Breaking News - 11.03.2025:
The ongoing competition is ended, many thanks and congrats to all players!
About latest update, as you may see too, I realized to create and test more..
And no BIG surprise that all current 'pocket fighters' are performed not bad !
Some notes about my non-hand tuned deep lines: SCCT 23-24 is based on
Top eng games, played by Balsa, Unique openings during 2023-2024 years,
Where SCCT 22-24w = Balsa and Unique too, but on only 2022-2024's wins
Note also I picked games, played in Book Tours..I mean not Eng Tours wins,
Otherwise, TONS of wins will be... then very likely will pass size rule (3 MB),
CEDR is also non-hand tuned...which is based on CEDR's strong openings!
Yes..mentioned above non hand-tuned books can be used as good indicator
About which well hand tuned..I mean here for TREND lines..before this tour!
To be more clear, in this tourney: non of my created ones are hand tuned etc.
Btw, what we noticed also here, via organizing current Online Like Book CS?
Many of the Online players strength are not so correct...exc. 'cherry picking'
Plus as other influence, processor speed diff. have BIG impact over strength..
In short: a complete mess issue about to see the strongest Online players..!
Actually there is always solution...but for this, similar serious tours required..
Otherwise..e.g without running this CS...we would not know about all, right?.
Yes under SCCT cond. is harder but much clear...usually 'best' ones on Top:
DON, Esculapio, HCAN, Skynet, Btw, OrgZ's points are impressive as well )
Even 2023's oldies: Everest, Unicornio, Red-Dragon Der..are still great too!
On other hand, IA-Horus with best points on Lichess but here far way to be!
Sure as same words going for Spiritofthenewyear, caissa-ai, LeelaMultiPoss..
Or other strange Online stats, some produced even close to 10-15% draws
But all experienced testers are aware that under serious and more fair cond.
The draws are much higher e.g via less drawish engine (Raubfish SC) 88%,
Or playing under optimal cond. (MP, Ponder ON, slower TC ) is almost 99%
Sure I refer for overall draws but with individuals, these draw stats may vary,
But no much ways to see less than 70% exc. via weak engines / openings!
At least for nowadays it seems to be so..maybe in future, we will see better
Engines, where may appear less draw ratio.. but till to this date I think that
We have to work harder and smarter!..sure this is other question, anyhow
I'm pretty sure also that many of Online players think such as they are best..
But for this, I'm announcing again: Prove it! Don't be afraid, Come and Win )
Here is much more fair, a friendly place, full of fun, via many strong players..
As reference, almost all Top 20's ranks... belong to frequent SCCT authors!
And someones may say also as: my book is doing better as MP + Blitz etc.
Good.. but just in that case...any fools' book will do better...) And moreover,
It's almost impossible to see wins, but before NNUE my tours were MP, Blitz
But in latest years, most tours played: 1 Core, Bullet and as usual I say over:
What is the point of using BIG umbrella, when no MUCH rain on the horizon!
And as final words, the ones, who cheats can't fool anyone but themselves!
Thank you for taking time to read, for showing interest, enjoy every moment!

Online Like's Champion: DON Hercules - My Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!

FOR FINAL STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... k-nn-cs-42

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/X0Ah1SwT#53eWxz1hr ... zyVzDgJd0U

Have fun,
Sedat

It seems like there were some interesting observations on draw rates, engine strengths, and the challenges in comparing online results with more controlled conditions. You also gave a nod to the top players like DON Hercules.

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:48 am**

Divva5 wrote: Thu Mar 13, 2025 9:05 pm
It seems like there were some interesting observations on draw rates, engine strengths, and the challenges in comparing online results with more controlled conditions. You also gave a nod to the top players like DON Hercules.

Thank you for your interest and kind words

Posted: **Fri Mar 14, 2025 12:52 am**

Dear Ladies and Gentlemen,

The Winner: Top Opening Books - Congrats!

FOR FINAL STANDINGS, GAMES:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -vs-book-6

And once more (for anyone missed):
Experience files (including Depth4 2025 book) are played by
20+ stronger engine: Eman 8.40, where all the Top books are
Played by Raubfish X48c3 SC, despite on BIG disadvantages..
Since played with weaker chess engine, anyhow the Top books
Are managed to win.. sure I refer in overall (not individually), but
If the originals: DynamicS (by Ian Hurnavich) is performed best!
From derivative ones, Angel Morano's lines are performed best!

More Details:
Experience (overall) = 3 Exp files:
Spectral, RapTora and Ruleeeee and
Any of them belonging to 14.12.2024
Where Depth4 2015 book is tuned to
Prefer both Depth 2025's Exp series..

What I can add more,
Really impressive points come by Top opening books!
Yes. some of the results may looks like close in points..
But all Top books are played by 20+ Elo weaker engine!

And as a friendly advice to Deeds, who seems to be
Responsible for all the openings (played by Depth4..)
Today you've lost, with clear margin..moreover, your
Depth's lines are played via stronger 20+ Elo engine!
I do not know about how does it looks from your side..
But it's time to wake up, show us your 'best' weapons!
Time to stop also to play funny games that are not so great!
Due to in my understanding, the commercial products have
To provide newer, better opening ideas that are useful
For majority people..for example after a quick checking:
I could not see much superiority in Depth4's openings..
E.g mostly are old-dated, not played by greatest players,
As reason, they're far away to be TREND opening lines!
Sure, you are free to believe it or not..bu here results say
The 'last' words..besides, I think also that in this area:
I've no much experience, but 'enough' to not go astray!

As final words, I strongly believe in that:
Current failure provides valuable lessons for you, but
It's not end..as you know, there is nothing impossible!
Check what's wrong, what's good, try to improve your
Strategies, openings, techniques.. for future attempts!

If still not so clear,
Learn from your mistakes...but just don't blame others!
Here you've another serious hole..that you have to learn!
Then no doubt that the 'success' will be in the door! but
Till to this date, I suggest harder, smarter work! if not...
The 'flag' will be 'forever' in opponents hands, who are
Serious in chess game play mode.. but this is also true,
People like Deeds..will never check seriously and learn..
But if nothing else..perhaps for new incomers my Duels
Will be helpful.. just in case... I will feel much better !)

And I hope that all my produced data to be useful.. .

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Sat Mar 15, 2025 1:19 am**

UPDATE

HCan 170125 book's games are replayed,
Reason, yesterday played with no book..

But today, Hcan 170125 played with correct one,
So Top Books points are now slightly increased:

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Experience (overall) 735.5/1470
1 DynamicS            110.0/210
2 OPTIMUS 2409        108.5/210
3 MegaTron RevA       105.5/210
4 DON 130125          105.0/210
5 HCan 170125         104.0/210
6 Esculapio           103.5/210
7 No Book              98.0/210

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/OhIjXSoY#3cVYt6tO6 ... uKteVb4px0

Meanwhile,
I am sorry for all this trouble, it's just my finger
Mistake... today I noticed it by myself..so later,
I've realized to re-run the test with correct book..
By the way, as far as I remember, a similar mistake,
I've made about 15 years ago, in old Rybka days..
Sure (with correct one) I re-played those games too,
And a great record, yeah ?) You see, a long period
That all went flawlessly..but no 100% guaranty for
Tomorrow..because we're all human and we make
Mistakes..I mean especially, if you work with many
Thousands of players and for so many years..but
Anyhow as most important (for accurate rankings):
We have to check regularly and more carefully...

Greetings

OpenChess

SedatChess

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