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Re: training mode (Eman) with tourney mode (Raptora)

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:07 pm
by deeds
During round 3, Eman tested novelties around the 31st move of each opening :

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Re: training mode (Eman) with tourney mode (Raptora)

Posted: Fri Jul 28, 2023 4:43 pm
by deeds
"3 rounds" it means each opening was only played 6 times (3 as white, 3 as black) but under luxurious* training's conditions, it does damage very quickly :

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   # PLAYER                              :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Eman_260723.exp (Eman 8.40)         :      19     28   158.0     300  52.7   29  258   13  86.0       0     1
   2 Raptora_250723.exp (RapTora 2.2)    :       0   ----   142.0     300  47.3   13  258   29  86.0      19     1

White advantage = 44.76 +/- 13.88
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
29-13 for Eman which already learned about 1/5th** of each opening of the Unique v50 opening's list !

It was not a very good idea to configure the default settings of an engine for tourney and let it coming without an experience file trained on the tourney's openings :
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link : games
pass : 6ZjmzPpBv-vL21f3klcSJA

ps :
* lossless experience data (=concurrency 1), 40 threads/engine, hyperthreading on, large page on, numa on, ponder off, 4 GB hash, partial syzygy 7-men, etc.
** 24% = 100% * 31th / 128 moves/game

Re: opening book vs experience file

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 4:45 am
by deeds
hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)    :      97     57    61.5     100  61.5   32   59    9  59.0       0     1
   2 Optimus 3.1.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    38.5     100  38.5    9   59   32  59.0      97     1

White advantage = 146.26 +/- 29.74
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw

Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:16 am
by deeds
pawn-value based experience file : experience data purely trained by Eman engine until 8.40 release (before Nov 5, 2022 patch)

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Optimus 3.1.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings (Optimus 3.1's Opening Rate : 27%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Optimus 3.1.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : 20 first legal moves (Optimus 3.1's Opening Rate : 25%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       9     81    20.5      40  51.3    2   37    1  92.5       0     1
   2 Optimus 3.1.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    19.5      40  48.8    1   37    2  92.5       9     1

White advantage = -26.35 +/- 40.96
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit (Optimus 3.1's Opening Rate : 8%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)    :      42     70    28.0      50  56.0   11   34    5  68.0       0     1
   2 Optimus 3.1.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    22.0      50  44.0    5   34   11  68.0      42     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 35.28
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings (Optimus 3.1's Opening Rate : 2%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)    :      97     57    61.5     100  61.5   32   59    9  59.0       0     1
   2 Optimus 3.1.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    38.5     100  38.5    9   59   32  59.0      97     1

White advantage = 146.26 +/- 29.74
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games

Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

Posted: Sat Jul 29, 2023 6:17 am
by deeds
Overall :

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)    :      33     27   175.0     320  54.7   45  260   15  81.3       0     1
   2 Optimus 3.1.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----   145.0     320  45.3   15  260   45  81.3      33     1

White advantage = 37.71 +/- 13.44
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players               : avg. D31, 002 124 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 033 122 moves

depth4_190623 (eman 8.40) : avg. D30, 001 930 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 018 197 moves
optimus 3.1 (eman 8.40)   : avg. D32, 002 359 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 014 925 moves

Averages :
0 220 sec/game (4 min/game)
123 plies/game (104 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 003 592 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D29, 001 662 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D36, 001 165 ms/move

Re: training mode (Eman) with tourney mode (Raptora)

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 10:09 am
by deeds
Anton wrote: ...The point for Deeds, and I understand, is that he goes through rigorous training...

...Powerful training examples...

...It only remains to learn how to use the tools that Deeds has left in his repository on GitHub, work on the training of the engine, and have patience, this takes time. But, it's worth it...
When in fact Anton thinks this :
Anton wrote: ...a year and a half of work and of course Deeds' work is an absolute waste of time...
As no one has forgotten Anton's collaboration with AlexChess (chess2u), no one was surprised that Anton was now in contact with Sedat.

Yes ! You read well, Sedat, the same unenlighted daily tester who, after we showed evidences that SCCT's conditions only have 50% of conformity with Rulleeeee's experience file, confessed :
Sedat wrote: ...
Frankly, I have no any idea About what you are talking...
...
So, all of your published screenshots... Are meaningless...at least for my side!
...
The good news is that all these people look alike and therefore come together, so it's easier to avoid them.

Re: opening book vs experience file

Posted: Sun Jul 30, 2023 8:32 pm
by deeds
hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw

Re: opening book vs experience file

Posted: Mon Jul 31, 2023 7:11 pm
by deeds
hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw

Re: opening book vs experience file

Posted: Wed Aug 02, 2023 4:37 am
by deeds
hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : 20 first legal moves

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :      18     81    21.0      40  52.5    3   36    1  90.0       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    19.0      40  47.5    1   36    3  90.0      18     1

White advantage = -35.26 +/- 40.81
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw

Re: opening book vs experience file

Posted: Thu Aug 03, 2023 4:42 am
by deeds
hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :      50     69    28.5      50  57.0   11   35    4  70.0       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    21.5      50  43.0    4   35   11  70.0      50     1

White advantage = 21.47 +/- 35.47
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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