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Posted: **Wed Nov 27, 2024 7:18 am**

Dear Homayoun,

Now I see and nice to read...!

One thing more, Believe it or not:
There are such 'more' original Top engines,
They are worse..e.g not capable to 'Ponder'
During opponent's turn...just imagine:
3000-3700 Elo and can not ponder..hehe ))

Is this all? not of course,
What about theirs similarities to Stockfish?
Is there any 100% proof that they are not
Based mainly on others authors ideas?

Is this all? not of course,
The authors of SF family engines do not hide..
They clearly say..but I can not say as same words
For all rest more original engines..who often try to
Say e.g my work is original, started from scratch etc
Sure here I am not going to talk more, but at least
I may say: Similarities tools rarely make mistakes!

Btw, let Me say please a few words about Me,
You asked that ever I played vs chess engines?
Sure I have played so many times, but mainly
Vs weak engines which are close to my strength..
And here I refer mainly about the past such as
During 1995-2005 years, if you are going to ask
My favorite programs, which I used to play vs
Chessmaster personalities, Arasan plus many more,
But I admit that in most games I was defeated, since
I played mainly at fast time controls etc. but in Rapid,
I was better..and as far as remember, I've managed
Often to draw, even sometimes to win..

About my games vs Humans (usually I played with friends),
Sure not always, but often I managed to win.. it's not that
I am much better than them, but my knowledge over openings..
It seems and played as serious, as advantage over..you know,
The openings play as golden key to gain better points!

On the other hand, this is also true that:
Many people (even who were better/stronger than Me)
Were defeated...and I think here as main reason played:
Very likely the pressure, since they were aware that
I'm involved in computer chess, as not bad book maker!
But in overall, there is one true..I'm not so good,
Maybe about 1600-1800 Elo (in strength)

What I can say more,
We (You and Me) are different...if all were same,
Our chess world would not be too much boring ?)
Plus there should be TDs who have to test, organize
Tours, running ratings with engines, with books etc.
And how happy that I am of one of them!

Greetings

Posted: **Wed Nov 27, 2024 8:03 am**

UPDATE 2

As Final Conclusion about Latest CS,
Which played as without Learning too

Via RapTora 2.2
24+ Elo (in favor for Learning ON)

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RapTora 2.2          3782  
RapTora 2.2 Off      3758

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Via Incognito 5 Pro:
11+ Elo (in favor for Learning ON)

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Incognito 5 Pro      3808   
Incognito 5 Pro Off  3797

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Via Brainlearn 30:
1+ Elo (in favor for Learning OFF)

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Brainlearn 30 Off    3822   
Brainlearn 30        3821

SOURCE:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ning-on-55

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Wed Nov 27, 2024 9:34 am**

Hi Sedat
Practicing with very strong chess engines can improve a chess player accuracy. For example when I play vs Stockfish and I lose the game this result it’s not important for me. But when I analysis my game with Stockfish after the game and I see Stockfish had 100 0/0 accuracy and I had 60-70 0/0 accuracy under blitz time control (4+2) then it makes me happy although I have lost the game but it means I am not a bad chess player and I have played strongly as a human player.
Best regards

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2024 11:22 am**

Breaking News - 04.12.2024:
Another championship is organized..where as players are books and exp files!
For anyone missed, it's similar CS as the organized one (in 2023): B/E/N CS I
Note: All Exp players are tested in Round-Robin mode (Concurrent: 72 games)
Exception, Torch v3 Off (as without learning = only read) is played in Gauntlet..
And why? Answer: For better performance, in this way, Exp's learning influence
Is much more effective (than testing Exp in Gauntlet..) is this all? not of course:
These testing cond. are not so fair.. e.g all Bin books played via disadvantage!
In other words, the matches (BIN vs EXP) were: Learning Vs NON-Learning!
Despite on unfair cond. as we see, many BIN books are said the 'last' words !!
Yes, great performance comes by OPTIMUS, DON, Kill Bookson,MegaTron etc
Anyhow I admit that several Exp performed so good too..Btw, special thanks to
Anton Ces (for creating a powerful capable learning engine) otherwise I hardly
Doubt that the current EXP standings would be as it now..Be aware of that too:
All Exp players are participated as learning enabled, exception: Stockfish 151,
Depth41 291121, both played as learning disabled with Eman 9.90, as reason
Both mentioned Exp files are crashed via RapTora 2.3, plus just for comparing
Torch v3 Off is played as without learning (via read only..) too and in same time
That means 'Learning' (Training...) is much more effective than Tourney mode!
So finely the current useful data (via facts) confirms that deeds is wrong again!
Because this guy blamed often my tours,such as I've no skills that I use training
Mode etc. and once more, who said that deeds is best expert on eng learning?
As we see, Torch v3 training ranked at 6th, where as tourney mode: 27th rank!
What I can say more over it's never too late to learn new useful things! moreover
It's never too late to learn about respect, to say thanks, sure if you're good human..
Meanwhile, SCCT's rules are became more freer (e.g it will be like Online play)
Especially multiple fake authors will be allowed (as players etc.), Otherwise my
Free time will be busy mainly on fighting with them... sorry, I've more important
Things to do! And it seems no body cares over...why I have to care so much?
If nothing else, if checking/according to some forums: silence so it confirms so!
Ok..friends, congrats and many thanks..see you later, greetings from Antalya !)

B/E/N II's Champion: OPTIMUS - My Congratulations to Roger Constantinesco!

For FINAL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-2

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/n0RHWJyR#BDbMR6fmR ... pC1XEsTHFw

For anyone missed too, here another new CS is organized:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... c-eng-cs-3

Note also that,
Due to no much free time, I hope to make weekly updates on Openchess,
Thanks for your understanding...

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2024 12:06 pm**

Good tour thanks for the games

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2024 7:39 pm**

Posted: **Wed Dec 04, 2024 9:59 pm**

You are welcome friends

Posted: **Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:16 pm**

Breaking News - 05.12.2024:
Another new CS is started..where as players will be books plus exp files too!
As main difference, this time tour conditions are Classic mode (NON-NNUE)!
Besides, all recent played Top EXP files are participating as learning disabled
And if going to ask why preferred these cond? sure for more fair and for fun !!
That's all for now..please stay tuned..soon as possible 1st played results come..
Meanwhile, in case of interest to submit a book / exp, you can submit: Contact

For more frequent updates, results, details:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bec-cs-1

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Thu Dec 05, 2024 1:38 pm**

UPDATE 1

LIVE STANDINGS (AFTER 2879 GAMES):

For right now: DON is Current Leader - Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!
OPTIMUS and Broth are just behind.not so bad too, sure tour in beginning..
And let's see what will be next results after more new games...

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 DON 261024                     44      25     158   56.3%   78.5% 
   2 OPTIMUS 2409                   37      24     159   55.3%   79.2% 
   3 Broth 131024                   29      23     158   54.1%   81.6% 
   4 Solidor Dual                   26      23     160   53.8%   81.3% 
   5 LesChats 141124                22      22     160   53.1%   82.5% 
   6 Dara 051224                    15      25     158   52.2%   77.8% 
   7 Spectral 041224                15      16     164   52.1%   90.9% 
   8 Esculapio                      13      20     158   51.9%   86.1% 
   9 Varied 270324                  13      23     160   51.9%   81.3% 
  10 RubiX                          13      23     162   51.9%   81.5% 
  11 Kill Bookson 2                  9      20     159   51.3%   86.2% 
  12 Unicarnio Upd2                  9      22     160   51.2%   83.8% 
  13 Cubail 041224                   9      13     160   51.2%   93.8% 
  14 Skynet 180724                   6      23     161   50.9%   82.0% 
  15 DeadLy-CRiMe                    4      24     160   50.6%   80.0% 
  16 Raptora 041224                  4      16     162   50.6%   91.4% 
  17 Solidor 041224                  0      17     162   50.0%   90.1% 
  18 HCAN 200424                     0      19     161   50.0%   87.6% 
  19 Rulleeeee 041224               -4      12     161   49.4%   95.0% 
  20 MegaTron RevA                  -6      23     161   49.1%   82.0% 
  21 Tunafish 3.2                   -7      25     160   49.1%   78.1% 
  22 Jorge 041224                   -7      18     158   49.1%   89.2% 
  23 SENTINEL 2409                 -11      24     160   48.4%   79.4% 
  24 AI 26.5                       -11      23     160   48.4%   81.9% 
  25 Geralt 051024                 -11      22     159   48.4%   83.0% 
  26 Khalid 041224                 -11      18     158   48.4%   89.2% 
  27 Torch 041224                  -13      19     159   48.1%   87.4% 
  28 Turkey 2024                   -15      24     160   47.8%   80.6% 
  29 TOL                           -15      27     159   47.8%   75.5% 
  30 SpecTral 1.0                  -17      13     162   47.5%   93.8% 
  31 AIO 1.02                      -17      19     161   47.5%   87.6% 
  32 Little Beast v3               -17      19     160   47.5%   87.5% 
  33 EMAN 8.90                     -20      25     158   47.2%   79.1% 
  34 KDragon 041224                -22      20     160   46.9%   86.3% 
  35 Brainlearn 25.1               -24      25     159   46.5%   78.0% 
  36 RapTora 2.2                   -39      23     161   44.4%   81.4% 

2879 of 12600 games finished.

More Details:
All BIN books are participating by 9-times Champion: Cfish 030820 C40,
Where Top Exp players (pre-learned in BEN CS II) are via Spectral 1.0

Note also that
There are several Eng entries for example AI 26.5, AIO 1.02, Brainlearn 25.1,
EMAN 8.90, L.Beast v3, RapTora 2.2, Spectral 1.0, which all are playing as
Learning enabled, but as reason, their exp files are newly started to learn,
So..theirs tiny Exp will not play so BIG influence over such as unfair cond. etc

GOOD LUCK TO ALL )

Greetings

Posted: **Fri Dec 06, 2024 4:42 pm**

Breaking News - 06.12.2024:
Via current update, 2 (two) strong books entered..and here are latest standings:
Btw, impressive performance come not only by DON, AdrianOlivia, Broth etc but
Spectral_1.0 (despite on its new tiny learning exp file) is gained close to 50 Elo
Better than No Book (Cfish..) e.g normally via Balsa..both are close in strength ..
Here just imagine e.g for moment: Spectral_1.0's Exp size is about 1 (one) MB
And as a small point more, here the opponents are not so weak..in other words,
No doubt that so far best learning record ever seen is belonging to Spectral_1.0
And to be more clear, here I refer about tiny exp files,which started from scratch..
To be sure, you can check also the other learning engines: Eman, Brainlearn etc.
What I told before? Anton is Anton, not via papers but via facts, sure I admit too
Exp files are strong but not on same level as the strongest books..at least so far
The latest new results indicate this...but you know, there is nothing impossible!!
But till to this date, what I say? just because it's very hard...it does not mean to
Give up..try again..and sooner or later, you will unlock the door to your success!
And as a friendly advice: do it now..because sometimes 'later' becomes 'NEVER'

FOR LATEST STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bec-cs-1

Meanwhile, for previous postings you can read at news page:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... bec-1-news

Greetings

OpenChess

SedatChess

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