Dear Homayoun,
Now I see and nice to read...!
One thing more, Believe it or not:
There are such 'more' original Top engines,
They are worse..e.g not capable to 'Ponder'
During opponent's turn...just imagine:
3000-3700 Elo and can not ponder..hehe ))
Is this all? not of course,
What about theirs similarities to Stockfish?
Is there any 100% proof that they are not
Based mainly on others authors ideas?
Is this all? not of course,
The authors of SF family engines do not hide..
They clearly say..but I can not say as same words
For all rest more original engines..who often try to
Say e.g my work is original, started from scratch etc
Sure here I am not going to talk more, but at least
I may say: Similarities tools rarely make mistakes!
Btw, let Me say please a few words about Me,
You asked that ever I played vs chess engines?
Sure I have played so many times, but mainly
Vs weak engines which are close to my strength..
And here I refer mainly about the past such as
During 1995-2005 years, if you are going to ask
My favorite programs, which I used to play vs
Chessmaster personalities, Arasan plus many more,
But I admit that in most games I was defeated, since
I played mainly at fast time controls etc. but in Rapid,
I was better..and as far as remember, I've managed
Often to draw, even sometimes to win..
About my games vs Humans (usually I played with friends),
Sure not always, but often I managed to win.. it's not that
I am much better than them, but my knowledge over openings..
It seems and played as serious, as advantage over..you know,
The openings play as golden key to gain better points!
On the other hand, this is also true that:
Many people (even who were better/stronger than Me)
Were defeated...and I think here as main reason played:
Very likely the pressure, since they were aware that
I'm involved in computer chess, as not bad book maker!
But in overall, there is one true..I'm not so good,
Maybe about 1600-1800 Elo (in strength)
What I can say more,
We (You and Me) are different...if all were same,
Our chess world would not be too much boring ?)
Plus there should be TDs who have to test, organize
Tours, running ratings with engines, with books etc.
And how happy that I am of one of them!
Greetings
SedatChess
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UPDATE 2
As Final Conclusion about Latest CS,
Which played as without Learning too
Via RapTora 2.2
24+ Elo (in favor for Learning ON)
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Via Incognito 5 Pro:
11+ Elo (in favor for Learning ON)
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Via Brainlearn 30:
1+ Elo (in favor for Learning OFF)
SOURCE:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ning-on-55
Best,
Sedat
As Final Conclusion about Latest CS,
Which played as without Learning too
Via RapTora 2.2
24+ Elo (in favor for Learning ON)
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RapTora 2.2 3782
RapTora 2.2 Off 3758 Via Incognito 5 Pro:
11+ Elo (in favor for Learning ON)
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Incognito 5 Pro 3808
Incognito 5 Pro Off 3797 Via Brainlearn 30:
1+ Elo (in favor for Learning OFF)
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Brainlearn 30 Off 3822
Brainlearn 30 3821 https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ning-on-55
Best,
Sedat
Re: SedatChess
Hi Sedat
Practicing with very strong chess engines can improve a chess player accuracy. For example when I play vs Stockfish and I lose the game this result it’s not important for me. But when I analysis my game with Stockfish after the game and I see Stockfish had 100 0/0 accuracy and I had 60-70 0/0 accuracy under blitz time control (4+2) then it makes me happy although I have lost the game but it means I am not a bad chess player and I have played strongly as a human player.
Best regards
Practicing with very strong chess engines can improve a chess player accuracy. For example when I play vs Stockfish and I lose the game this result it’s not important for me. But when I analysis my game with Stockfish after the game and I see Stockfish had 100 0/0 accuracy and I had 60-70 0/0 accuracy under blitz time control (4+2) then it makes me happy although I have lost the game but it means I am not a bad chess player and I have played strongly as a human player.
Best regards
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Re: SedatChess
Breaking News - 04.12.2024:
Another championship is organized..where as players are books and exp files!
For anyone missed, it's similar CS as the organized one (in 2023): B/E/N CS I
Note: All Exp players are tested in Round-Robin mode (Concurrent: 72 games)
Exception, Torch v3 Off (as without learning = only read) is played in Gauntlet..
And why? Answer: For better performance, in this way, Exp's learning influence
Is much more effective (than testing Exp in Gauntlet..) is this all? not of course:
These testing cond. are not so fair.. e.g all Bin books played via disadvantage!
In other words, the matches (BIN vs EXP) were: Learning Vs NON-Learning!
Despite on unfair cond. as we see, many BIN books are said the 'last' words !!
Yes, great performance comes by OPTIMUS, DON, Kill Bookson,MegaTron etc
Anyhow I admit that several Exp performed so good too..Btw, special thanks to
Anton Ces (for creating a powerful capable learning engine) otherwise I hardly
Doubt that the current EXP standings would be as it now..Be aware of that too:
All Exp players are participated as learning enabled, exception: Stockfish 151,
Depth41 291121, both played as learning disabled with Eman 9.90, as reason
Both mentioned Exp files are crashed via RapTora 2.3, plus just for comparing
Torch v3 Off is played as without learning (via read only..) too and in same time
That means 'Learning' (Training...) is much more effective than Tourney mode!
So finely the current useful data (via facts) confirms that deeds is wrong again!
Because this guy blamed often my tours,such as I've no skills that I use training
Mode etc. and once more, who said that deeds is best expert on eng learning?
As we see, Torch v3 training ranked at 6th, where as tourney mode: 27th rank!
What I can say more over it's never too late to learn new useful things! moreover
It's never too late to learn about respect, to say thanks, sure if you're good human..
Meanwhile, SCCT's rules are became more freer (e.g it will be like Online play)
Especially multiple fake authors will be allowed (as players etc.), Otherwise my
Free time will be busy mainly on fighting with them... sorry, I've more important
Things to do! And it seems no body cares over...why I have to care so much?
If nothing else, if checking/according to some forums: silence so it confirms so!
Ok..friends, congrats and many thanks..see you later, greetings from Antalya !)
B/E/N II's Champion: OPTIMUS - My Congratulations to Roger Constantinesco!
For FINAL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-2
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/n0RHWJyR#BDbMR6fmR ... pC1XEsTHFw
For anyone missed too, here another new CS is organized:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... c-eng-cs-3
Note also that,
Due to no much free time, I hope to make weekly updates on Openchess,
Thanks for your understanding...
Best,
Sedat
Another championship is organized..where as players are books and exp files!
For anyone missed, it's similar CS as the organized one (in 2023): B/E/N CS I
Note: All Exp players are tested in Round-Robin mode (Concurrent: 72 games)
Exception, Torch v3 Off (as without learning = only read) is played in Gauntlet..
And why? Answer: For better performance, in this way, Exp's learning influence
Is much more effective (than testing Exp in Gauntlet..) is this all? not of course:
These testing cond. are not so fair.. e.g all Bin books played via disadvantage!
In other words, the matches (BIN vs EXP) were: Learning Vs NON-Learning!
Despite on unfair cond. as we see, many BIN books are said the 'last' words !!
Yes, great performance comes by OPTIMUS, DON, Kill Bookson,MegaTron etc
Anyhow I admit that several Exp performed so good too..Btw, special thanks to
Anton Ces (for creating a powerful capable learning engine) otherwise I hardly
Doubt that the current EXP standings would be as it now..Be aware of that too:
All Exp players are participated as learning enabled, exception: Stockfish 151,
Depth41 291121, both played as learning disabled with Eman 9.90, as reason
Both mentioned Exp files are crashed via RapTora 2.3, plus just for comparing
Torch v3 Off is played as without learning (via read only..) too and in same time
That means 'Learning' (Training...) is much more effective than Tourney mode!
So finely the current useful data (via facts) confirms that deeds is wrong again!
Because this guy blamed often my tours,such as I've no skills that I use training
Mode etc. and once more, who said that deeds is best expert on eng learning?
As we see, Torch v3 training ranked at 6th, where as tourney mode: 27th rank!
What I can say more over it's never too late to learn new useful things! moreover
It's never too late to learn about respect, to say thanks, sure if you're good human..
Meanwhile, SCCT's rules are became more freer (e.g it will be like Online play)
Especially multiple fake authors will be allowed (as players etc.), Otherwise my
Free time will be busy mainly on fighting with them... sorry, I've more important
Things to do! And it seems no body cares over...why I have to care so much?
If nothing else, if checking/according to some forums: silence so it confirms so!
Ok..friends, congrats and many thanks..see you later, greetings from Antalya !)
B/E/N II's Champion: OPTIMUS - My Congratulations to Roger Constantinesco!
For FINAL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-2
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/n0RHWJyR#BDbMR6fmR ... pC1XEsTHFw
For anyone missed too, here another new CS is organized:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... c-eng-cs-3
Note also that,
Due to no much free time, I hope to make weekly updates on Openchess,
Thanks for your understanding...
Best,
Sedat
Re: SedatChess
Good tour thanks for the games
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Re: SedatChess
You are welcome friends 
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Sedat Canbaz
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Re: SedatChess
Breaking News - 05.12.2024:
Another new CS is started..where as players will be books plus exp files too!
As main difference, this time tour conditions are Classic mode (NON-NNUE)!
Besides, all recent played Top EXP files are participating as learning disabled
And if going to ask why preferred these cond? sure for more fair and for fun !!
That's all for now..please stay tuned..soon as possible 1st played results come..
Meanwhile, in case of interest to submit a book / exp, you can submit: Contact
For more frequent updates, results, details:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bec-cs-1
Best,
Sedat
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UPDATE 1
LIVE STANDINGS (AFTER 2879 GAMES):
For right now: DON is Current Leader - Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!
OPTIMUS and Broth are just behind.not so bad too, sure tour in beginning..
And let's see what will be next results after more new games...
More Details:
All BIN books are participating by 9-times Champion: Cfish 030820 C40,
Where Top Exp players (pre-learned in BEN CS II) are via Spectral 1.0
Note also that
There are several Eng entries for example AI 26.5, AIO 1.02, Brainlearn 25.1,
EMAN 8.90, L.Beast v3, RapTora 2.2, Spectral 1.0, which all are playing as
Learning enabled, but as reason, their exp files are newly started to learn,
So..theirs tiny Exp will not play so BIG influence over such as unfair cond. etc
GOOD LUCK TO ALL )
Greetings
LIVE STANDINGS (AFTER 2879 GAMES):
For right now: DON is Current Leader - Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!
OPTIMUS and Broth are just behind.not so bad too, sure tour in beginning..
And let's see what will be next results after more new games...
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Rank Name Elo +/- Games Score Draw
1 DON 261024 44 25 158 56.3% 78.5%
2 OPTIMUS 2409 37 24 159 55.3% 79.2%
3 Broth 131024 29 23 158 54.1% 81.6%
4 Solidor Dual 26 23 160 53.8% 81.3%
5 LesChats 141124 22 22 160 53.1% 82.5%
6 Dara 051224 15 25 158 52.2% 77.8%
7 Spectral 041224 15 16 164 52.1% 90.9%
8 Esculapio 13 20 158 51.9% 86.1%
9 Varied 270324 13 23 160 51.9% 81.3%
10 RubiX 13 23 162 51.9% 81.5%
11 Kill Bookson 2 9 20 159 51.3% 86.2%
12 Unicarnio Upd2 9 22 160 51.2% 83.8%
13 Cubail 041224 9 13 160 51.2% 93.8%
14 Skynet 180724 6 23 161 50.9% 82.0%
15 DeadLy-CRiMe 4 24 160 50.6% 80.0%
16 Raptora 041224 4 16 162 50.6% 91.4%
17 Solidor 041224 0 17 162 50.0% 90.1%
18 HCAN 200424 0 19 161 50.0% 87.6%
19 Rulleeeee 041224 -4 12 161 49.4% 95.0%
20 MegaTron RevA -6 23 161 49.1% 82.0%
21 Tunafish 3.2 -7 25 160 49.1% 78.1%
22 Jorge 041224 -7 18 158 49.1% 89.2%
23 SENTINEL 2409 -11 24 160 48.4% 79.4%
24 AI 26.5 -11 23 160 48.4% 81.9%
25 Geralt 051024 -11 22 159 48.4% 83.0%
26 Khalid 041224 -11 18 158 48.4% 89.2%
27 Torch 041224 -13 19 159 48.1% 87.4%
28 Turkey 2024 -15 24 160 47.8% 80.6%
29 TOL -15 27 159 47.8% 75.5%
30 SpecTral 1.0 -17 13 162 47.5% 93.8%
31 AIO 1.02 -17 19 161 47.5% 87.6%
32 Little Beast v3 -17 19 160 47.5% 87.5%
33 EMAN 8.90 -20 25 158 47.2% 79.1%
34 KDragon 041224 -22 20 160 46.9% 86.3%
35 Brainlearn 25.1 -24 25 159 46.5% 78.0%
36 RapTora 2.2 -39 23 161 44.4% 81.4%
2879 of 12600 games finished.All BIN books are participating by 9-times Champion: Cfish 030820 C40,
Where Top Exp players (pre-learned in BEN CS II) are via Spectral 1.0
Note also that
There are several Eng entries for example AI 26.5, AIO 1.02, Brainlearn 25.1,
EMAN 8.90, L.Beast v3, RapTora 2.2, Spectral 1.0, which all are playing as
Learning enabled, but as reason, their exp files are newly started to learn,
So..theirs tiny Exp will not play so BIG influence over such as unfair cond. etc
GOOD LUCK TO ALL )
Greetings
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Re: SedatChess
Breaking News - 06.12.2024:
Via current update, 2 (two) strong books entered..and here are latest standings:
Btw, impressive performance come not only by DON, AdrianOlivia, Broth etc but
Spectral_1.0 (despite on its new tiny learning exp file) is gained close to 50 Elo
Better than No Book (Cfish..) e.g normally via Balsa..both are close in strength ..
Here just imagine e.g for moment: Spectral_1.0's Exp size is about 1 (one) MB
And as a small point more, here the opponents are not so weak..in other words,
No doubt that so far best learning record ever seen is belonging to Spectral_1.0
And to be more clear, here I refer about tiny exp files,which started from scratch..
To be sure, you can check also the other learning engines: Eman, Brainlearn etc.
What I told before? Anton is Anton, not via papers but via facts, sure I admit too
Exp files are strong but not on same level as the strongest books..at least so far
The latest new results indicate this...but you know, there is nothing impossible!!
But till to this date, what I say? just because it's very hard...it does not mean to
Give up..try again..and sooner or later, you will unlock the door to your success!
And as a friendly advice: do it now..because sometimes 'later' becomes 'NEVER'
FOR LATEST STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bec-cs-1
Meanwhile, for previous postings you can read at news page:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... bec-1-news
Greetings
Via current update, 2 (two) strong books entered..and here are latest standings:
Btw, impressive performance come not only by DON, AdrianOlivia, Broth etc but
Spectral_1.0 (despite on its new tiny learning exp file) is gained close to 50 Elo
Better than No Book (Cfish..) e.g normally via Balsa..both are close in strength ..
Here just imagine e.g for moment: Spectral_1.0's Exp size is about 1 (one) MB
And as a small point more, here the opponents are not so weak..in other words,
No doubt that so far best learning record ever seen is belonging to Spectral_1.0
And to be more clear, here I refer about tiny exp files,which started from scratch..
To be sure, you can check also the other learning engines: Eman, Brainlearn etc.
What I told before? Anton is Anton, not via papers but via facts, sure I admit too
Exp files are strong but not on same level as the strongest books..at least so far
The latest new results indicate this...but you know, there is nothing impossible!!
But till to this date, what I say? just because it's very hard...it does not mean to
Give up..try again..and sooner or later, you will unlock the door to your success!
And as a friendly advice: do it now..because sometimes 'later' becomes 'NEVER'
FOR LATEST STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bec-cs-1
Meanwhile, for previous postings you can read at news page:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... bec-1-news
Greetings