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Thank you very much Sedat. Although I personally don’t use any learning engines for myself, also I don’t use any derivatives ( I only use original engines and it’s completely enough for me) , but thank you very much for tournament.
Best regards

I don’t want to use derivatives any more.

Homayoun wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:31 am Thank you very much Sedat. Although I personally don’t use any learning engines for myself, also I don’t use any derivatives ( I only use original engines and it’s completely enough for me) , but thank you very much for tournament.
Best regards

Not at all dear Homayoun

And thanks for your all good work, updates as well
Without you (sure plus many other chess friends too )
I may miss to download and test latest eng versions

Greetings )

UPDATE 5

Well, some notes as final conclusion over and over!

1st of all,
I never said that SCCT's test syatem way is perfect work!
Or I never said as most fair etc. but I follow my own rules!
If you do not agree my respect..and in that case,
I suggest to check NON-SCCT results..very simple...
And anyone is free to run in perfect cond..no problem!

But remember also that please,
Just in case..please contact Me..here I have some
Experience, not much but I have..that's why contact
Me..ready to help...we can start firstly with size,
Date releases, opening suite rules, and more etc.
But before..please contact...and all for free )

Btw, so far, at least as far as I am aware,
Non of such perfect work exist..right? but what they do?
They prefer the weakest lines (such as UHO suite) and
Trying to show to all here that there is BIG progress
In Learning..but they miss one small, but important point,
What about with strong openings? and remember please
Is there any serious player? Regarding who prefer all
These weak openings? sure SF team etc. may work over..
Reason, maybe it seems SF team is NOT capable to improve
Via strong openings etc. but for my side, at least for
Nowadays..it's just waste of time..because Chess is not
Based and have to be played via weak opening lines!
Otherwise.. that will be be just madness too..!
Because 'chess' is playing by two players:
White plus by Black colors, e.g forcing the engines
Which favors only for White or just opposite etc.
I can call as chess, but not as serious at all...

Meanwhile, what we noticed all here today ?
Incognito 5 Pro even with not so much weak openings,
Managed to gain 7+ Elo over...this is as real fact!
And I do not wonder what will say about the Trollers all over..
Since they have much difficulties to gain, to learn etc !

And according to my experience about all over,
There is no perfect testings..not only in SCCT,
What about others sources ? Are they perfect?
Ok..let's say they are perfect, but may I ask
Where theirs true 'proof data' to validate?
I am tired to read theirs papers..By the way,
All theirs work is still private? Yes, theirs bad
Actions (via fake accounts) are recorded as
Black shadow.. at least for my side..

As final note, there is one true:
- I never said a 'lie' but I have different view
About what all tried these Trollers ..and so far with
No progress at all.. because they are too late to
Attack my free job, such as 26+ years in eng tours...
If still not so clear,
The train is left the station, since a long time!)

And thanks for your reading..

That's all over )

Breaking News (26.11.2024):
I' have another good news, RapTora 2.2 (Learning Off) entered
Yes..this great one is one of my favorite engines! not only that
Managed to be several times as Champion, but as other reason,
Mr. Anton Ces is a real expert.. and moreover he is a good man!
That means a lot...only to be expert is not bad, but to be a good
Human is more important than all...
Ok, this time let's see what will be influences (via RapTora too)
As we know, Incognito 5 Pro Learning managed to gain 7 Elo over...

And for anyone missed, RapTora 2.2 (as Learning ON) is performed:
Btw, here are LIVE Gauntlet standings by RapTora 2.2 Learning Off:

UPDATE

And once more, RapTora is RapTora, One of the Best Engines in Learning!
Proved not via Papers of course, but via real Facts! What I said before?
You have to work harder and smarter before, your dreams to come true!
Yes, RapTora's Learning ON managed to gain 24+ Elo over Learning OFF!!
What does it mean? Answer: I hope other Authors will pay more attention all
Over..sure just for Computer Chess's progress! And thanks a lot in advance)
Is this all? not of course, I'm pretty sure also that Trollers again will blame my
Used cond. but just because they've no skills, incapable of doing good job or
Unable to complete useful ratings, but after all, it does not mean also that
We have to stop organizing...
And what's left (still not criticized by Trollers)? I compressed RapTora 2.2 Off
Games via method ULTRA, e.g slightly smaller in size than Incognito 5 Off.7z
Where Incognito 5 Off's played games ere compressed via method: NORMAL

For Latest/Final Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ning-on-55

RapTora 2.2's Learning OFF Games:
https://mega.nz/file/b4JXCTjR#udqE3ZrEo ... Arv4gPzA7c

Greetings

Homayoun wrote: Mon Nov 25, 2024 11:44 am I don’t want to use derivatives any more.

Hello Homayoun,

Sad...but my respect! I assume you prefer
Mainly to play vs weak engines (on your PC), right?
If so..it is all right..)

On other hand, in my opinion:
SF derivatives are as 'Bridge' for best solution for overall users!

E.g let's take as example:
Stockfish or any other more original Top engines etc.
Btw, I preferred to say here 'more' since no any engine is 100% original!
Maybe 1st ever created engines are more original, based on own ideas

In other words, about more original engines:
Do they offer as native settings to use multiple CTG or BIN books? No..
Actually we're in 2024, but these engines are like in 1950 -2005 years!

Or as other question, are they capable to learn ? if not,
These engines may make same mistakes over and over..
Sure here I refer again in case of critical positions...

Is this all? not of course..
In Analyzing..SF derivatives are much better than more original ones too!
See please..if you are not aware:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... lysis-cs-4
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... anking-iii

And now I hope you that
You will give right about why SF derivatives are so important,
I mean much better than more original Top chess engines!
Sure here I refer better than real mother (Stockfish) too..

Greetings

Hi Sedat
I don’t know what do you mean , when you say weak? Is Stockfish17 a weak engine for a human chess player? Or leela , Berserk, Obsidian, plentychess, Caissa, Clover, lizard are very weak opponents for you??? I have monitored engines for many years. And I should say, At the beginning of NNUE era there was a great gap between Stockfish (and it’s derivatives) with other engines. Because NNUE was a new and almost unknown subject for other authors.But nowadays the gap is decreasing day by day with every new release. You as an engine tester mostly consider the strength factor of an engine. But there are factors more important than strength for a chess player. One of them is playing style. Do you know even know leela have better strategic positional play than stockfish, while stockfish is tactically superior? Do you know leela is completely superior than stockfish in close positions while stockfish is superior in open positions. Do you know lizard has the most short victory games against opponents. Do you know how Caissa plays chess 1960 even more beautiful than stockfish? Do you play rated games vs engines? These are questions. Original engines have more attractions according to me. For example each time I play a
rated game vs lizard , I don’t feel it is a weak opponent although May be it is very weak for you?
And I am also satisfied with these original engines analysis too.
Best regards

Hello Homayoun,

1st of all,
I like much more original chess engines!
As same words are going for SF derivatives,
Especially which futures so many options etc.

About your rest comments,
Sure I was not meaning about Stockfish 17
I was meaning about the ones, which are close
In strength to 1500 Elo - 2600 Elo

And according to my experience,
Stockfish 17 is too strong for Humans,
But if you play vs SF..it is all right! even great !!
Btw, if you play vs SF17..did you manage to win so far?)

And just to be more clear,
I am not forcing you to use/play/test SF derivatives!
You are free ...but I just tried to explain about advantages..
No more... no less...

About your other rest comments,
In some I'm aware in some not..
Like you...

Greetings )

Hi Sedat
I don’t play with a strong chess engine like stock fish or obsidian or superhuman engines to win them. It’s obvious that I can’t win even a single rated game specially under blitz time controls. I only improve my chess capabilities by this practice and analysing my games after the match and learning from my mistakes. It’s very effective practice for me.
Best regards