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Posted: **Sat Sep 07, 2024 11:11 pm**

Breaking News (07.09.2024):
Here are the 1st tour's standings (played as NON-NN), actually is easy to be
Recognized (sure I refer when NON-NN or NN) from draw perc. values plus
If NNUE is enabled, then usually the Elo differences are less..you may know,
It's harder to get high points plus to produce lower draw values....By the way,
While I mention about stats...without to not mention this I can't too: e.g if we
Are going to compare B/N XXXV CS's all stages statistics, then to be honest:
The greatest / best NN record belongs to Perfect 16: with 56% win perc. and
72% draw ratio (sure I refer for close in dates Champ books on same PC, not
Via Online...if Online Perfect 16 had better records..) Btw, some accused/said:
Perfect 16 book is a clone one (in the past) so I have a question to all experts:
If P16 is a clone..then how/why P16 produced all these 'unbelievable' NN stats?
That never seen before.. maybe seen.. but I can not remember (sure as NN)
And P16 lost the lead after many newer releases (e.g to Champs 2015-2017)
Sure the CS is still active and who knows? Perhaps we will see better NN stats...
If still not clear (as NN): to have higher win. perc. but with lower draw ratio..and
To be close (in years) Champ books e.g Perfect 16's greatest record: Results
https://drive.google.com/file/d/1QgosVF ... drive_link
On other hard, DON book is current Number One..impressive..and is this all
Surprise? I hardly doubt.. because DON is proved many times as one of best!
Note also 2nd tour (as NN) is already started too..exactly with same players!
And soon as possible more info is coming..and as usual please stay tuned )

4rd Stage (2023) Leader: DON M. Chopra - My Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!
Note As all others, DON is my work, tuned to prefer theirs original openings too

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Rank Name           Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 DON M.Chopra   3659   14   14   528   54%  3630   73% 
   2 Unicornio      3655   14   14   528   54%  3630   80% 
   3 OrionPax       3651   14   14   528   53%  3630   69% 
   4 DON Hercules   3648   14   14   528   53%  3630   74% 
   5 Red-Dragon     3647   14   14   528   52%  3630   70% 
   6 Goddess        3644   14   14   528   52%  3630   72% 
   7 Grendel        3644   14   14   528   52%  3630   77% 
   8 Pimienta       3642   14   14   528   52%  3630   79% 
   9 C.B Conqueror  3639   14   14   528   51%  3630   74% 
  10 Chucaro        3639   14   14   528   51%  3630   79% 
  11 Sentinel       3638   14   14   528   51%  3630   80% 
  12 Everest 3009   3637   14   14   528   51%  3630   73% 
  13 Cacho-SCCT     3637   14   14   528   51%  3630   75% 
  14 LesChats       3634   14   14   528   50%  3630   75% 
  15 Optimus        3634   14   14   528   51%  3630   79% 
  16 Solista        3633   14   14   528   50%  3630   77% 
  17 SARI           3631   14   14   528   50%  3630   76% 
  18 M.Canseven     3630   14   14   528   50%  3631   73% 
  19 Sambala        3628   14   14   528   50%  3631   74% 
  20 Taram          3627   14   14   528   50%  3631   74% 
  21 HCanFree       3627   14   14   528   49%  3631   77% 
  22 Alchemist      3627   14   14   528   49%  3631   79% 
  23 Everest 0902   3626   14   14   528   49%  3631   76% 
  24 Hamish         3625   14   14   528   49%  3631   72% 
  25 HCan-Upd       3624   14   14   528   49%  3631   79% 
  26 Skynet-SCCT    3620   14   14   528   48%  3631   73% 
  27 StudentChess   3619   14   14   528   48%  3631   78% 
  28 Feta           3616   14   14   528   48%  3631   77% 
  29 Bloom          3614   14   14   528   48%  3631   70% 
  30 SF-SE          3612   14   14   528   47%  3631   73% 
  31 OlisFish       3611   14   14   528   47%  3631   75% 
  32 Lion           3611   14   14   528   47%  3631   76% 
  33 Barnabas       3607   14   14   528   47%  3631   69% 
  34 Wang Hao       3600   14   14   528   45%  3631   72%

FOR MORE DETAILS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -35-stage4

GREETINGS

Posted: **Sat Sep 07, 2024 11:47 pm**

UPDATE 1

And here are the tour's results via NN (Raubfish SC):

BN CS XXXV (2023) Current NN Leader: Goddess - Congratulations to Olivier Charles!
2nd rank Unicornio, where 3rd is DON Hercules..in other words, not so bad as well!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Goddess                        24      15     355   53.4%   81.4% 
   2 Unicornio                      23      13     355   53.2%   87.3% 
   3 DON Hercules                   18      17     354   52.5%   76.8% 
   4 Everest 3009                   18      14     357   52.5%   84.9% 
   5 Red-Dragon                     13      16     358   51.8%   80.2% 
   6 Pimienta                       12      12     357   51.7%   89.4% 
   7 OrionPax                       11      16     357   51.5%   80.1% 
   8 OlisFish                       11      13     357   51.5%   86.3% 
   9 DON M.Chopra                   10      14     355   51.4%   84.8% 
  10 SARI                            8      11     355   51.1%   89.9% 
  11 Sentinel                        8      10     358   51.1%   91.6% 
  12 Cacho-SCCT                      5      13     353   50.7%   87.8% 
  13 C.B Conqueror                   3      12     354   50.4%   89.5% 
  14 Sambala                         3      13     355   50.4%   87.9% 
  15 HCanFree                        2      12     356   50.3%   88.2% 
  16 Optimus                         2      13     357   50.3%   86.0% 
  17 Hamish                          1      14     355   50.1%   83.9% 
  18 Grendel                         1      12     355   50.1%   88.5% 
  19 LesChats                        1      14     356   50.1%   84.6% 
  20 Everest 0902                    0      11     357   50.0%   90.5% 
  21 StudentChess                   -1      10     356   49.9%   93.0% 
  22 Alchemist                      -2      11     357   49.7%   91.0% 
  23 Feta                           -4      12     356   49.4%   88.8% 
  24 Skynet-SCCT                    -6      13     355   49.2%   87.0% 
  25 HCan-Upd                       -9      13     356   48.7%   86.8% 
  26 Barnabas                      -11      13     356   48.5%   86.8% 
  27 Taram                         -11      13     355   48.5%   87.3% 
  28 SF-SE                         -12      13     356   48.3%   87.1% 
  29 Solista                       -16      14     354   47.7%   85.9% 
  30 Chucaro                       -16      10     354   47.7%   91.5% 
  31 Lion                          -17      14     355   47.6%   85.6% 
  32 M.Canseven                    -18      14     356   47.5%   84.3% 
  33 Bloom                         -19      16     355   47.3%   80.6% 
  34 Wang Hao                      -31      14     357   45.5%   84.9% 

6047 of 8976 games finished.

Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2024 1:11 am**

UPDATE 2

Here are the latest tour's results via NN (Raubfish SC):

And very interesting..e.g for right now we have 3 (three) NN
Book Leaders: Everest, Goddess and Unicornio - Congrats...!

Ok..as next planning update:
Both CS (NN + NON-NN tours) will be merged into one standing...

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Everest 3009                   22      12     499   53.2%   85.2% 
   2 Unicornio                      22      10     496   53.1%   88.5% 
   3 Goddess                        22      13     498   53.1%   82.1% 
   4 DON Hercules                   18      14     496   52.5%   79.2% 
   5 DON M.Chopra                   14      12     497   52.0%   85.1% 
   6 Red-Dragon                     11      13     499   51.6%   80.8% 
   7 Pimienta                       10       9     499   51.5%   90.6% 
   8 SARI                            8       9     497   51.2%   90.3% 
   9 LesChats                        8      12     501   51.2%   84.4% 
  10 Cacho-SCCT                      8      10     497   51.1%   88.1% 
  11 OrionPax                        8      13     498   51.1%   81.7% 
  12 OlisFish                        6      11     499   50.9%   86.6% 
  13 StudentChess                    6       9     499   50.8%   92.0% 
  14 Sentinel                        4      10     496   50.6%   89.9% 
  15 Optimus                         3      11     500   50.5%   85.8% 
  16 Sambala                         1      10     498   50.2%   88.4% 
  17 C.B Conqueror                   1      10     498   50.1%   90.2% 
  18 Hamish                          1      11     500   50.1%   85.8% 
  19 HCanFree                        0      10     501   50.0%   88.4% 
  20 Grendel                        -1      10     500   49.8%   88.8% 
  21 Everest 0902                   -1       9     500   49.8%   91.2% 
  22 Alchemist                      -3       9     500   49.6%   92.0% 
  23 Taram                          -6      10     496   49.2%   88.3% 
  24 HCan-Upd                       -8      10     500   48.9%   88.2% 
  25 Skynet-SCCT                    -8      11     497   48.9%   87.7% 
  26 Feta                           -8      10     499   48.8%   88.4% 
  27 Barnabas                      -13      11     496   48.1%   86.5% 
  28 Chucaro                       -15       9     498   47.9%   91.8% 
  29 Bloom                         -15      13     496   47.9%   82.9% 
  30 Solista                       -15      11     497   47.8%   86.7% 
  31 M.Canseven                    -17      12     499   47.6%   84.8% 
  32 SF-SE                         -17      11     498   47.6%   86.7% 
  33 Lion                          -17      11     499   47.5%   85.8% 
  34 Wang Hao                      -29      11     499   45.8%   85.6% 

8471 of 8976 games finished.

Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2024 10:07 am**

Meanwhile,

In short: I can summarize about the attacks over my work etc.
As 'Sour Grapes' and I assume that many of you see the reality:
Someones can be so negative to best achievements etc. simply
Because they cannot have it themselves but this is a bad way!
What I can say more over, I suggest harder work, just because
It's hard, it does not mean to attack or to give up...try again..
Sooner or later the success will be in door..and do you see?
In end, who wins? as usually, best ones..proved many times!

Ok.. that's all for now.. and finely I feel much better !)

Greetings

Posted: **Sun Sep 08, 2024 12:20 pm**

Breaking News (08.09.2024):
1st of all, just don't blame and it is not any shame that Wang Hao is last...
Yes Wang is only one, which based just on human games, Winner: BN XI
And here are the both tours standings (merged NON-NN + NN into one...)
This time Unicarnio is said the last word!! where 2nd +3rd are DON vers
Goddess is 3rd rank too, 4th rank: Everest, OrionPax and Red Dragon!
In other words, (if we are going to check overall 2023 year performances):
Current produced tour results are not appeared due to luck!...sure I admit
Some books may suffer or just opposite..some may gain..sure not with all..
I mean the influences may be high with some books..as main reason, via
My creation and optimization methods, theirs weakest lines are becoming
Stronger..since I don't import/allow theirs previous played defeats/lost lines!
In same time that means, many of theirs lines are becoming more Drawish...
Anyhow just fun tour and once more my Congratulations to all rest Champs!
About next Number Ones 2024 CS: planning to be organized in Jan 2025
Otherwise, we may miss some newer Champs..since 2024 is still not over )

4rd Stage (2023) Champion: Unicarnio - Congratulations to Angel Morano!

FOR FINAL STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -35-stage4

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/n0ZxUSZA#Bf4kDG3cU ... fTmpg1zuAY

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Tue Sep 10, 2024 12:29 pm**

Meanwhile,
Just I'd like to point also perhaps many of you aware too:
All of latest/recent XXXV Stages Winners (Champions) are
Belonging to openings played by Private books, where
The openings played by Public books are rated lower...

Actually, this is nothing new and I think it's quite normal that
Normally the Private openings have to perform better/stronger!
(Btw, as same words are going for all private engines as well )
Sure not always.. for example, as we know in other new XXXII CS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -cs-53-2nd
The performance of overall Public books gained more points than
The Private ones..why ? simply because I think that many of the
Authors worked over several books... otherwise, if working only
Over one version, then I expect to see better points.. but no any
Problem.. since just fun tours ) but now, we learn/know more..!)

What I can I add more,
For experienced Top book makers, the available public opening
Lines are easier to be cracked..and in same time that means:
The available public openings are more potential to suffer..at
Least all the Number One Stage CS results indicate this, right?

Greetings )

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 11:58 am**

Hello there )

1st of all,
Current ongoing tour is not a Championship, just in case..as before
I'll have serious difficulties to find stronger... sure I refer for
Close in dates/years openings...and this is not as joke...proved
Not only once, not twice...many times..!!

To be more clear, via this new tour, my target is simply that:
Recently (actually even in the past) these Number Ones are played..
But in recent Number Ones CS..as NN engine (for all Top books used):
Raubfish NNUE SC, I mean its strength is close to 3750 Elo, but where
In past, several Rybka eng vers used, which are close to 3000 Elo and
Now you can imagine.. On other hand, Rybka engines are not compatible
To use BIN books, that's why I realized to use Stockfish 5 (for all books)
Yes SF5 is stronger than Rybka, but I could find other any better solution..
E.g my goal is now to adapt more close conditions such as played in past..
Actually via Polyglot adapter is possible many of the engines to use BIN,
But no any idea what will be the influences.. e.g according to old tests,
Some of engines suffered via using external adapters..for these reasons:
I am not a very BIG fun of using external adapters!

In other words (this time via Stockfish 5, which capable to use BIN):
Let's see what will be the influences.. again from Past to Present..
As NNUE, we already know their performances..what about as NON-NN?

Can we say also that Perfect 16 will manage to be best? as before..
Who knows? maybe previous produced NN results were as luck etc. ?

And without to not mention this I can not as well,
Frankly, I disagree with those 'clever' guys who often prefer to say as
All books are randomly ranked, plus who say as dead drawish lines etc
Maybe theirs chess engines are dead, too drawish..and who knows?
Meanwhile, blaming the strongest opening theory is madness!! just saying!
But I admit that via NNUE 3700+ sure under optimal cond. is really boring!
Since the Top engines are playing/gaining with huge trained NN data...
But as reason here are not only openings...there are many other factors,
Which can play as serious influence to appear more draws for examples
Some of the Top engines (even as NON-NN) are more drawish..proved already!
E.g Raubfish SC can be as reference...in that case....moreover Hardware speed,
Time Controls, MP, Ponder ON etc. are playing as an important role! and
That's not all, what about NN data? via BIG NN asistane much more draws!
Do you see? the openings are not only the reason....Btw, can you create
A strong engine 3700 + to be not so Drawish? and to be not close to SF ?)
And if asking about my work..via my Book + Eng tours I've done my best..!!
And exc. my organized tours over long past years..I'm author of many books,
Sure I am creator of many other opening suites: Balsa, Champ, Unique etc.

And mainly for these kind of reasons, in case of NN 3700+ tours:
I use mainly Bullet, 1 Core, Balsa, Unique etc sure mainly for fun, if not:
Usually I say: what's point of using BIG umbrella, if no much rain on horizon ?)
And in our hobby, there are many who prefer testing various cond. my respect!
Yes, we are all different, if we were all same, World would NOT be too boring ?)

Oh, sorry my friends,..I almost forgot.. here are current LIVE rankings:
Sure it's too early for any conclusions.. since we need much more games..
But anyhow, Perfect is Perfect...right ?

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Perfect 16                     57      33     130   58.1%   68.5% 
   2 Ultra-Blitz                    32      30     132   54.5%   74.2% 
   3 Xmas2640                       19      29     131   52.7%   76.3% 
   4 Experimental                   16      31     130   52.3%   73.8% 
   5 My Book                        13      31     130   51.9%   73.1% 
   6 Rybka III                      11      29     127   51.6%   76.4% 
   7 Magnificent                     8      32     133   51.1%   70.7% 
   8 Hurricane                      -5      31     132   49.2%   72.7% 
   9 Yograj                         -5      36     130   49.2%   63.1% 
  10 Perfect 13x                    -8      33     127   48.8%   70.9% 
  11 CompMaster                    -13      34     130   48.1%   68.5% 
  12 OmPrakash                     -14      35     128   48.0%   66.4% 
  13 Perfect 13                    -21      31     131   46.9%   72.5% 
  14 Rybka II                      -89      38     131   37.4%   58.0% 

911 of 4550 games finished.

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 3m+05s, 128 Hash, 4-MEN
Note also that all Number Ones are playing via Stockfish 5 (3300+ Elo)

And please stay tuned.. more updates soon as possible..

Greetings

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 1:21 pm**

UPDATE

Well, for right now (the competition with 2006-2010 opening theory):
Perfect 16 is leading as before...with 57% win. perc.
Where P16 opening book's draw ratio is close to 65%
In other words, again we see as 'unbelievable' record! but we will see..since
The tour is not over..Note also min. 650 games (per player) will be played...

On the other hand,
Under these conditions, which is more adapted to past..
Rybka II (the oldest - 2006) is currently as last rank..
I mean e.g in the recent official Number Ones NN CS,
Rybka II book is performed much better...so now is
More clear that NN influence is played as serious role!
Sure not for all of course..but for some it seems so...

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Perfect 16                     50      23     310   57.1%   65.2% 
   2 My Book                        19      21     313   52.7%   69.0% 
   3 Experimental                   15      21     308   52.1%   71.8% 
   4 Rybka III                       9      20     312   51.3%   71.8% 
   5 Ultra-Blitz                     8      21     313   51.1%   69.0% 
   6 Magnificent                     2      22     310   50.3%   69.0% 
   7 Hurricane                       0      20     311   50.0%   73.0% 
   8 Perfect 13x                    -3      21     309   49.5%   69.9% 
   9 Yograj                         -6      23     312   49.2%   63.8% 
  10 CompMaster                     -6      20     310   49.2%   71.9% 
  11 Xmas2640                       -9      19     310   48.7%   75.5% 
  12 OmPrakash                     -11      22     310   48.4%   67.7% 
  13 Perfect 13                    -18      20     311   47.4%   71.7% 
  14 Rybka II                      -49      23     311   42.9%   63.3% 

2175 of 4550 games finished.

Posted: **Wed Sep 11, 2024 9:30 pm**

Breaking News (11.09.2024):
1st of all and as I stated earlier: this is not a CS...just organized to check
NON-NN influences, because this time Stockfish 5 is used for all players..
For example, the previous tour played via Raubfish NN..now as NON-NN
And the present tour is adapted more close conditions as played in past!
Moreover, my target is not to prove that I may create not so weak books)
Many of you know Me over long past years plus nowadays we have great
Talents, who create superior powerful books too...Note also that I did not
Touch/tune (by hand) any of original drawn+won openings they are left as
They have to be..but till 2009, I was quite active over newer/stronger move
Ideas that never played before..actually as reference, you can check also
All individual stats etc, where you'll notice also that P16 lost to some strong
Champs..but in past, I'd not allow (before final release) to public ones to win)
At least to available opening lines)
But anyhow, I'm satisfied..if not, I have to be ungrateful.. because in almost
All tours (sure in my tour categories) as usual my work is not so bad, right?
Btw, for comparing (NN vs NON-NN).. here are the recent NN tour: Results
So now we've more data about NN influences, for some better / worse etc.
But this is also true, current standings are more close to the results of past..
Ok dear chess friends that's all for now...and many thanks for your interest )

The Leader (2006-2010) Perfect 16 - Exc. Me) Congrats to all Authors too!

FOR FINAL STANDINGS:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... -2006-2010

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/v1IHUCKL#s0l2Byf-O ... VOhb-wJX_E

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Thu Sep 12, 2024 9:40 am**

UPDATE

1st of all, today let Me start please, with this new question:
Why almost all Top NN 3700+ programmers are unsuccessful,
Fail to improve their engines with strong short openings?
Let's say Balsa v500 (up to 5 moves), do you believe that
Balsa is dead, it's too drawish opening suite etc. ? If so..
I hardly doubt..but just in case..you are a pawn that
You do not know that it's a piece of chess game!

Frankly I see this situation as 'Comedy of Errors' / 'Sour Grapes'!!
Yes..some guys, who are not capable how to improve theirs eng
Strength etc. unfortunately they prefer to say for our strong short
Openings such as dead, drawish etc. hehe)..anything more else ?)
Perhaps the 'golden' key in the hand of AlphaZero team..ask them..
Who knows? they introduced the 1st NN.. to our chess community..
Via beating SF8 with clear margin..Btw, sure this is other question,
But their organized match was unfair such as duel: NON-NN vs NN

Continuing ...

Again who knows? maybe AlphaZero may help here how to improve?
Because since a long time, 3700+ Elo improvement is almost dead..
Sure here again I refer mainly for short (not deep) strong openings!
Btw, just a test via deep strong openings: situation is more critical,
Much less Elo improvements are expecting for sure...!

What I can say more,
Be sure..the strong opening theory is not dead at all or not so drawish..
At least under SCCT.. e.g I run many tours to determine which are best,
Strongest books as well and not since yesterday...since many years!

In other words, I can summarize also all over these issues such as,
It is time for a new revolution..to learn, to originate better ideas!
But just do not blame the strong opening lines.. and hope helps!

Have a nice day )
Sedat

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