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Sorry I wrote the opposite of what I wanted to say lol, since testings are the real proof of comments, I will make some tests when I have some free time to validate what I say.

For me it is not valid sorry, I already gave the reasons why...

Can you also answer my question? Why dont you rely and use the settings engine trainers advise and give with the aim of helping but you follow the settings book authors give you for example? Do you have any problem with engine trainers or something?

I ask you this because I am trying my best to give you settings, recommedations, etc... but you ignore them sadly

Hope helps and thanks in advance,

Ibai

IbaiBuR wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:49 pm Sorry I wrote the opposite of what I wanted to say lol

Ahh.. ))) anyhow no problem

Meanwhile,
Here is my friendly advice to you:, plus to other testers who still..:
I suggest you to use and test the engines via Concurrent matches!!
In this way, definitely you will save much CPU time... plus in this way,
You will reduce your Electricity bills as well..

For further information, don't hesitate to ask..ready to help...

And after all, it is all up to you...

Sure, if you are not interested..then
Simply ignore my current posting..

Greetings

Sedat Canbaz wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:59 pm
Ahh.. ))) anyhow no problem

Meanwhile,
Here is my friendly advice to you:, plus to other testers who still..:
I suggest you to use and test the engines via Concurrent matches!!
In this way, definitely you will save much CPU time... plus in this way,
You will reduce your Electricity bills as well..

For further information, don't hesitate to ask..ready to help...

Sure after all,
It is all up to you...

Sure, if you are not interested...then
Simply ignore my current posting..

Greetings

When I test engines with learning feature such as Eman I dont run concurrent matches because of the reasons I already exposed...

For other kind of tests for sure I use concurrency... It helps the test to end faster and you save a huge amount of time...

I dont pay for the electricy mainly because I run all of my testings / computer-chess activities in Virtual Machines that my university provides to me...

Thanks for the recommendation tho, everything is too expensive nowadays

Can you also answer the question in my previous post as I already answered yours?

Regards,

Ibai

IbaiBuR wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:49 pm Sorry I wrote the opposite of what I wanted to say lol, since testings are the real proof of comments, I will make some tests when I have some free time to validate what I say.

For me it is not valid sorry, I already gave the reasons why...

Can you also answer my question? Why dont you rely and use the settings engine trainers advise and give with the aim of helping but you follow the settings book authors give you for example? Do you have any problem with engine trainers or something?

I ask you this because I am trying my best to give you settings, recommedations, etc... but you ignore them sadly

Hope helps and thanks in advance,

Ibai

Sad...but no BIG problem that SCCT is not 'valid' for your side
And frankly no way to satisfy all..plus I have no such target..!)

But however,
It seems that you have serious problem to read, check etc..
If not so clear...you proved several times.. right ??))
Just do not say, when, where.. because I have no more
Free time over such useless issues...

By the way,
I suggest you also that to re-read, re-check my latest organized
Useful testings...next time read more careful please..hope helps..

Meanwhile, what about you ?
Can you run a serious 'valid' rating, with many games (per player)
And just in case, next time please include at least 30-40 players
Yes..you love to criticize...but after checking your test with SCCT
Really the differences is so so BIG...!!!

Regarding about your rest comments,
As I stated before, I prefer mainly stable chess engines!
Eman is not a good choice if Gauntlet --- Concurrent: 64
Training mode ? what ? I am already on Holiday mode ))

That's all...

Best,
Sedat

Sedat Canbaz wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 2:22 pm

IbaiBuR wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 1:49 pm Sorry I wrote the opposite of what I wanted to say lol, since testings are the real proof of comments, I will make some tests when I have some free time to validate what I say.

For me it is not valid sorry, I already gave the reasons why...

Can you also answer my question? Why dont you rely and use the settings engine trainers advise and give with the aim of helping but you follow the settings book authors give you for example? Do you have any problem with engine trainers or something?

I ask you this because I am trying my best to give you settings, recommedations, etc... but you ignore them sadly

Hope helps and thanks in advance,

Ibai

Sad...but no BIG problem that SCCT is not 'valid' for your side
And frankly no way to satisfy all..plus I have no such target..!)

But however,
It seems that you have serious problem to read, check etc..
If not so clear...you proved several times.. right ??))
Just do not say, when, where.. because I have no more
Free time over such useless issues...

Meanwhile, what about you ?
Can you run a serious 'valid' rating, with many games (per player)
And just in case, next time please include at least 30-40 players
Yes..you love to criticize...but after checking your test with SCCT
Really the differences is so so BIG...!!!

Regarding about your rest comments,
As I stated before, I prefer mainly stable chess engines!
Eman is not a good choice if Gauntlet --- Concurrent: 64
Training mode ? what ? I am already on Holiday mode ))

That's all...

Best,
Sedat

Yeah so now you return to hostile attitude, dont understand why

Where do I have a problem to read? What do you mean? I dont understand what you are saying!

Yes, I will run a valid, serious test, but you will probably say its trash because you dont like my chess activities and you seem to not like what I say, even if I am trying to help, give my opinion...

I did not make any test, dont know what you are referring to, what I linked from my blog is not a TEST ok??? I explain the way I train the engines, how they learn, etc... But it is not a test, please read the full blog post and be informed before saying things like that. I repeat anyways, IT IS NOT A TEST!

When engines such as Eman use their default settings it can be called "training mode" because they sometimes try different / unusual moves and dont follow their experience data. One option to fix this is to use the Experience Book option Eman has to force the engine to play directly from the experience data for example.

I am in holiday mode too! But I didnt ask you that, you still have not answered my question, why do you ignore all the settings and advices we give you?

If it is because you need tests to believe people (only engine trainers, because you apply the settings book authors give you without asking them for tests), dont worry, I will make some tests when I have some time (I am in holiday mode too hehe) and I will try to validate and support all of what I say, and, if after that you still not believe me its fine, I will not be angry like you, dont worry

Btw, you say: many players-> your test is with 2 players xD

Anyways, we both should stop taking this kind of things too seriously, because I think that computer-chess is mainly to have fun!

No...no...you return to your hostile attitude..really!

Something like SCCT is not 'valid' LOL..

On other hand,
I ran very useful testings, sure we need more of them, but
It seems..you are missing as usual...not only latest tests..
If you say only two players etc. then go and check please:
https://sites.google.com/site/computerschess/ratings

Regarding where you have problems to read etc.
Well, how did you forget already ?
Some minutes ago you said, I relay on comments .. LOL...

Actually I can understand, if past some years..please..!
Just a few hints more..exception on this thread...plus
You may start to remember, e.g if go to re-read again:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3648&start=60

Ok friend,
It was a nice discussion with you..but I think that
It is already enough...sure you can try to give more lessons..
But before, you have to prove...but without comments ok?
At least I have a lot of prove data.. what about you ?
For this, before coming to criticizing Me..
I suggest you to come with real facts

Till to this date Bye Bye...
Sure later I may check.. and be sure I will congratulate you!
Be before... as I said before, prove with facts than comments!

Greetings

Sedat Canbaz wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:11 pm No...no...you return to your hostile attitude..really!

Something like SCCT is not 'valid' LOL..

On other hand,
I ran very useful testings, sure we need more of them, but
It seems..you are missing as usual...not only latest tests..
If you say only two players etc. then go and check please:
https://sites.google.com/site/computerschess/ratings

Regarding where you have problems to read etc.
Well, how did you forget already ?
Some minutes ago you said, I relay on comments .. LOL...

Actually I can understand, if past some years..please..!
Just a few hints more..exception on this thread...plus
You may start to remember, e.g if go to re-read again:
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=3648&start=60

Ok friend,
It was a nice discussion with you..but I think that
It is already enough...sure you can try to give more lessons..
But before, you have to prove...but without comments ok?
At least I have a lot of prove data.. what about you ?
For this, before coming to criticizing Me..
I suggest you to come with real facts

Till to this date Bye Bye...
Sure later I may check.. and be sure I will congratulate you!
Be before... as I said before, prove with facts than comments!

You asked me: "¿Do you consider it valid?" and I just gave my opinion, thats all! If you are going to react like this please dont ping me or ask me anymore because we ended this discussion some days ago in a friendly way and you are ruining it all because I gave my humble opinion and it seems it harmed you!

Is that hostile? Giving my opinion? It makes you angry that I said it is not valid?

Again, I am not trying to give lessons to anyone, I am trying to help you and others. You dont see this or what?! Just because you tested engines and books for 20+ years everyone has to agree with you on everything, assume what you say and follow you?! Just because of that I cant comment on your testings?!

I have data from engine training, not from tests, because I am not a tester I have not been doing tests for 20+ years. I am 19 years old and I am also studying I dont have as much free time as you seem to have for computer-chess but I still make a lot of efforts for engine-training and I will surely make tests about this dont worry.

Also, I said: Sorry I wrote the opposite of what I wanted to say lol, since testings are the real proof of comments, I will make some tests when I have some free time to validate what I say. to correct what I said before but I will do it again since you dont even read my posts and have a very big comprehension problem!

So dont say: "You forgot you said you rely on comments". I did not intend to say that I prefer to rely on comments but the opposite, I intended to say that real tests is what proofs things lol, I am human and I have errors like everyone!

If you are going to react like this dont quote me anymore and thats all! If you are harmed by a single opinion from a 19 years old student you have a very big and serious problem!

It seems you need validation from others because if not you wouldnt have quoted and asked me!

Unless you say anything harmful, not true or similiar about me, I wont interact with you anymore! I will leave you in peace and I hope you too, because this is really tiring and I dont want to participate in discussions with you anymore, it is like talking to a wall sometimes!

I added you to my foe list so I wont even see your posts. Have fun with your 100 game tests with concurrency and small / merged / bad trained experience files with poor settings! I really really hope you and your followers enjoy them, they are great tests indeed!

One thing more,

In my opinion:
In latest days, I run various useful testings,
Regarding mainly Concurrent influences!

In same time,
My target was to see EXP's power as well!!
Sure to see Eman exp via Raptora 2.2 too...

And I do not believe that
All these new results are ...Due to ERROR-margin!

Yes...I did not start these kind of testings since yesterday!
I test chess engines 25 years! I think that a very long period!
Sure I do not claim that my testings are 100% correct!
But I have some data, which seems to be not so bad...

Continuing...

What we noticed also (via latest 700 games) ?
The Learning engines are capable to
Learn properly (even during Parallel matches)!

Btw, If someone/s have problems to read..
Simply this is not my problem...

Meanwhile, for anyone missed:
Exception about other my organized tours..
Recently I ran new 7 (seven) various testings,
And what kind of proof do we need more?
I think that the current new picture is very clear!

If the picture is still not so clear...
I am tournament manager of SCCT...
That means, I have some experience of my hardware, right ?
Or maybe there something wrong with my 2x EPYC ?
Anyhow, at least I can confirm that Eman is crashing...
Sure I mean in case of Gauntlet mode, Concurrent: 64

In other words, about Eman is buggy or not...
Do I need to publish screenshots...to prove?
Just do not say 'YES' because in a second,
CuteChess GUI terminates...and this is not as
Hardware problem issue...because all other
Tested Engines play flawlessly...even via 64

Ok.. that's all
It is time for Holidays )

Gretings

IbaiBuR wrote: Thu Jul 20, 2023 3:51 pm
You asked me: "¿Do you consider it valid?" and I just gave my opinion, thats all! If you are going to react like this please dont ping me or ask me anymore because we ended this discussion some days ago in a friendly way and you are ruining it all because I gave my humble opinion and it seems it harmed you!

Is that hostile? Giving my opinion? It makes you angry that I said it is not valid?

It is all right... do not worry and be happy )

And I am very happy too believe Me...)

Because, I know what I am doing....
Sure my work is NOT perfect...and frankly
I make mistakes... If nothing else
I trying to improve myself... and in case of mistake:
Trying to NOT repeat the same mistake as twice!

But this is also true that:
My work is different than all...!!
And I am not going to count all,
Because I may miss to mention some..
But too much for sure...and all publicly and for free!

As final words, (just a friendly suggestion more )
Next time (as I mentioned before):
Please come with real facts, ok?
Because I am not at that age to relay on comments!

Greetings

And without to not mention this I can't too,

Well, I am here with real name:
Sedat Canbaz

I am pretty sure,
Exception Me, there are many with real names too!

And if not so clear..
Time is required to validate: who is valid or who not!

And unfortunately,
There are such idiots here, even I can't say as amateurs!
They are sitting in front of computer and wondering
How to attack, blame, criticize others work!

And this is not as 1st and will be not as last,
Because they spent no much efforts on chess..exc.
On comments etc. and as usual only BLA BLA BLA

By the way, nowadays is TREND to say,
Engines are released in Training mode ))
What kind of mentality can be of that..

If this is true...I suggest to these programmers:
To be added in options: Training mode / Tournament mode
In this way...I think all will be solved very simply.., but in
Effective way...for more info , you can Contact Me:
https://sites.google.com/site/computerschess/contact

Meanwhile, let Me say please my latest new idea,
Another new TREND, that never seen before:
As 3rd alternative, to be added: 'Stability mode' too

Btw, I'd not much surprised that if some idiot will
Come and say: my opening book is Training mode too..LOL
Because, when I was on Playchess server...someone said
Something like that...LOL

On other hand,
Really I'm already tired to fight with these kind of brains!
That's why..for Me (as before) to be not so active on forums!

Thanks for your understanding...

Best,
Sedat