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Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 9:50 am**

Hello Chess Friends,

Just I'd like to inform all of you that,
HCanFree-24 book is entered too, this is a new public vers,
Which is released recently and here are the current results
Sure...there is a long way to go, let's see after 1000 games
And GOOD LUCK )

Note also that,
Very likely after this test, I'm going to end this BIG tourney...
Normally the tour's target was to test many more books, but
Soon another new book championship will be organized, where
I hope to include and test the private opening books too...
Because latest days. I received many mails about interest to
Be participated the private books (as players) too ...

What I can say more,
This competition is really very hard one..sure for my side )
Creating so many books, testing them with 1000+ games per player,
Forget everything..even releasing all my created books etc and etc )
In other words,
Current tour's 2nd name can be called as 'Beyond Limits' !)

And please stay tuned...
If not today, tomorrow I'll share all my unreleased books, and If I am
Not wrong,according to my calculations: 88 books will be released...
At least I can say about overall releases :
The Total number books (with previous released ones) will be: 146
In short,
Unbelievable numbers, right ?) and feel the differences in SCCT!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   0 HCanFree-24                    31      17     397   54.4%   75.1% 
   1 Geller                         44     157       8   56.3%   62.5% 
   2 Vidit                          44      82       8   56.3%   87.5% 
   3 Adams                          44      82       8   56.3%   87.5% 
   4 Wei                            44     157       8   56.3%   62.5% 
   5 Leko                           44      82       8   56.3%   87.5% 
   6 Ding                           44      82       8   56.3%   87.5% 
   7 Short                           0       0       6   50.0%  100.0% 
   8 Moiseenko                       0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
   9 Naiditsch                       0     173       6   50.0%   66.7% 
  10 Navara                          0     173       6   50.0%   66.7% 
  11 Bareev                          0     125       8   50.0%   75.0% 
  12 Bacrot                          0     125       8   50.0%   75.0% 
  13 VachierLagrave                  0     125       8   50.0%   75.0% 
  14 Giri                            0     125       8   50.0%   75.0% 
  15 Riazantsev                      0     186       8   50.0%   50.0% 
  16 Karpov                          0     125       8   50.0%   75.0% 
  17 Grischuk                        0     125       8   50.0%   75.0% 
  18 Gelfand                         0     125       8   50.0%   75.0% 
  19 Abdusattorov                    0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  20 Jakovenko                       0       0       8   50.0%  100.0% 
  21 So                              0     125       8   50.0%   75.0% 
  22 Karjakin                        0     125       8   50.0%   75.0% 
  23 Cevdet 120124                   0      99      10   50.0%   80.0% 
  24 Castigo                         0     110       9   50.0%   77.8% 
  25 Tunafish                        0     110       9   50.0%   77.8% 
  26 LesChats 280124                 0     186       8   50.0%   50.0% 
  27 Pampa                           0     110       9   50.0%   77.8% 
  28 OPTIMUS 2401                  -35      66      10   45.0%   90.0% 
  29 Kramnik                       -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  30 Deac                          -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  31 Sjugirov                      -44     157       8   43.8%   62.5% 
  32 Eljanov                       -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  33 Robson                        -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  34 Sethuraman                    -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  35 Anand                         -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  36 DHARMA                        -44     216       8   43.8%   37.5% 
  37 Orange                        -44      82       8   43.8%   87.5% 
  38 Gukesh                        -50      94       7   42.9%   85.7% 
  39 Caruana                       -58     110       6   41.7%   83.3% 
  40 Tal                           -89     116       8   37.5%   75.0% 
  41 Wang                          -89     190       8   37.5%   50.0% 
  42 Almasi                        -89     116       8   37.5%   75.0% 
  43 Sutovsky                      -89     116       8   37.5%   75.0% 
  44 Dominguez                     -89     116       8   37.5%   75.0% 
  45 Sarana                       -102     134       7   35.7%   71.4% 
  46 Narayanan                    -137     147       8   31.3%   62.5% 
  47 YuYangyi                     -137     147       8   31.3%   62.5% 
  48 Wojtaszek                    -137     147       8   31.3%   62.5% 
  49 Shirov                       -191     452       8   25.0%   25.0% 
  50 Yoruba                       -191     189       8   25.0%   50.0% 

397 of 1000 games finished.

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 3:51 pm**

Breaking News - 25.02.2024:
The current competition is ended...many thanks and congratulations to all!
No doubt that most productive Book Championship ever! exc that I created,
Tested and shared all them, as additional, I'd like to say as good news many
Players gained same, identical points, very interesting, never seen before!
For examples, 2nd rank belongs to two book players, 3rd rank again two..!
As we see here, only OPTIMUS is clear a Winner of Eng Book Standings!
About Human standings, here again we see identical in points, e.g 3 (three)
Players are managed to be Champions: Ding, Dominguez, Karjakin, nice!
Btw, without to not mention this I can not as well, sometimes..X Author may
Not be so active in book tuning...and that sounds perfectly fine to Me...but
Just in case to be not Number One.. it does not mean that he/she can not
Create Champions books..I think, it all depends on our free time, health etc.
Sure I refer about current books by A. Morano plus for H. Can, C. Sarı etc.
But I admit that R. Constantinesco's books are at high level of quality too!
Sure I respect anyone's view, but I suggest to check Champions Rankings
In short, it can be used as very good indicator about who is best of the best..
Be aware of that soon I hope to organize another new book championship,
Where I plan to test Private books as well..right now I'm not sure exactly, but
I may use one of strongest NNUE engines, rather it will be will more close to
Online Game Play...at least it will be under: BULLET, MP, PONDER ON etc.!
And what will be as difference than Online, sure it will be with less players....
But what is as advantage, I mean much better than Online:
All planning books will be on same fast hardware (2x EPYC 128 Cores/256T),
As you know,..many online players suffer / gain due to hardware speed diff.
Besides here... all books will be played as NON - Cherry Picking System !
You know, nowadays...it a TREND )) full of these kind of postings out there )
But via SCCT. I think will be as solution, in short, BEST ones will be ranked
At higher ranks...right? Ok..chess friends that's all for now ...see you soon )

Eng Book Champion: OPTIMUS - Congratulations to Roger Constantinesco!
Human Book Champions: Ding, Dominguez and Karjakin - My Congratulations!

For Final Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... book-cs-68

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/XspD3TqT#IU-V-Mui6 ... 8g_AcpRDo4

Greetings )

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:18 pm**

Sedat Canbaz wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:32 am
OrgZ wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:50 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:36 pm
OrgZ wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:13 pm Thanks Sedat. Always like your tours

Am hoping that the next update (Tunafish) will be stronger
You are welcome Tanick )

Sure.. and why not Tunafish to be not stronger..?
It is all in your hands...but even now...to be 3rd
Is really a great performance...!

Best,
Sedat
time dear friend time is a factor. I work on various things unlike Conrog who works on his books full time
I understand...but do not worry at all...
If not in this tour, in next.. you may achieve it, right..?

After all...this is just a fun competition,
Even if you will be as last.. it is all right ...

Greetings

Maybe my next update will have something different. I'll share publicly the next update as well.

And Thanks for all your efforts/time that you spend on our projects. Congratulations to conrog as usual

and everyone who participated and showed great performances

Posted: **Sun Feb 25, 2024 8:07 pm**

OrgZ wrote: Sun Feb 25, 2024 5:18 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote: Wed Feb 21, 2024 12:32 am
OrgZ wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 7:50 pm
Sedat Canbaz wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 5:36 pm
OrgZ wrote: Tue Feb 20, 2024 4:13 pm Thanks Sedat. Always like your tours

Am hoping that the next update (Tunafish) will be stronger
You are welcome Tanick )

Sure.. and why not Tunafish to be not stronger..?
It is all in your hands...but even now...to be 3rd
Is really a great performance...!

Best,
Sedat
time dear friend time is a factor. I work on various things unlike Conrog who works on his books full time
I understand...but do not worry at all...
If not in this tour, in next.. you may achieve it, right..?

After all...this is just a fun competition,
Even if you will be as last.. it is all right ...

Greetings
Maybe my next update will have something different. I'll share publicly the next update as well.

And Thanks for all your efforts/time that you spend on our projects. Congratulations to conrog as usual and everyone who participated and showed great performances

Not at all... it is my pleasure )

Wishing you the best of luck in your next update...
I hope it be filled with joy and success as well

Greetings )

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2024 8:36 am**

Hello there )

Just another series of HASH strength testings,
Running in the name of planning Online Like CS!

What is New / Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess 1.3.1 GUI, 4-MEN Syzygy
All Hash matches are playing at Bullet TC (1m+0.1s)
MP (12 Core/Game), Ponder ON, 5 Concurrent games
A new Unique suite used, played each opening twice
For all Hash players: EMAN 9.90 (ExternalNet) used
For each player, a copy of Eman engine installed
Dual NNUE (Big + Small Evalfiles) are installed too
Learning is disabled (Experience read only enabled)

And here are the 1st played results:

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Eman 4096mb                    26      27      66   53.8%   89.4% 
   2 Eman 512mb                      0      14      68   50.0%   97.1% 
   3 Eman 2048mb                    -5      17      68   49.3%   95.6% 
   4 Eman 128mb                     -5      22      68   49.3%   92.6% 
   5 Eman 1024mb                   -16      23      66   47.7%   92.4% 

168 of 1000 games finished..

And I hoıpe the current new hash testing to be useful..

Best,
Sedat

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2024 1:54 pm**

UPDATE

After 360 games (per player):
Eman 9.90 MP via 2048 MB Hash is performed as BEST so far!
Where at 2nd place are ranked two players: 4096mb and 512mb

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1 2048mb  44.5 - 45.545.5 - 44.546.5 - 43.547.0 - 43.0  183.5/360
2 4096mb  45.5 - 44.544.5 - 45.545.5 - 44.546.0 - 44.0  181.5/360  -170.75
3 512mb   44.5 - 45.545.5 - 44.545.5 - 44.546.0 - 44.0  181.5/360  -172.75
4 128mb   43.5 - 46.544.5 - 45.544.5 - 45.547.0 - 43.0  179.5/360
5 1024mb  43.0 - 47.044.0 - 46.044.0 - 46.043.0 - 47.0  174.0/360

More Details:
Overall Draw Ratio (Based on 900 games) is high: 93%
Any Player's Move Overhead (ms) is increased to: 200
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Be aware of that too,
EMAN HASH test is still active, but this time via Balsa,
Because 360 games often may lead to wrong conclusions...
You know, more better...because Unique suite is strong, but
Some Unique's lines can be said as critical (not strongest)
So for less Error Margin, more games will be played out...
In other words, Via Balsa openings is expecting less Error..
But in same time.. it is expecting more draws as well...)

And please stay tuned..very soon more updates coming

Greetings )

Posted: **Mon Feb 26, 2024 5:01 pm**

UPDATE 2

Eman 9.90 MP + Ponder ON's Hash test is completed..!
The Overall's Winner is 2048 MB Hash

And once more we noticed that
Giving too much size, it does not mean better, stronger..
Otherwise, 4096 MB Hash should gain more points, right?

But as we see in latest test, via strong openings (e.g via Balsa),
Even small Hash sizes such as 128 MB, 512 MB is still not dead !)

Overall (Balsa + Unique Openings) Ponder ON, 12 Core/Game: 96% DRAWS

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1 2048mb  90.0 - 90.091.0 - 89.090.5 - 89.592.5 - 87.5**     364.0/720
2 512mb   90.0 - 90.090.5 - 89.591.5 - 88.591.0 - 89.0 **    363.0/720
3 128mb   89.0 - 91.089.5 - 90.589.5 - 90.592.0 - 88.0  **   360.0/720
4 4096mb  89.5 - 90.588.5 - 91.590.5 - 89.590.5 - 89.5   **  359.0/720
5 1024mb  87.5 - 92.589.0 - 91.088.0 - 92.089.5 - 90.5    ** 354.0/720

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Balsa Openings - Ponder ON, 12 Core/Game: 99% DRAWS

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1 512mb   45.0 - 45.045.5 - 44.545.0 - 45.046.0 - 44.0**     181.5/360
2 128mb   45.0 - 45.045.5 - 44.545.0 - 45.045.0 - 45.0 **    180.5/360 
3 2048mb  44.5 - 45.544.5 - 45.545.5 - 44.546.0 - 44.0  **   180.5/360  
4 1024mb  45.0 - 45.045.0 - 45.044.5 - 45.545.5 - 44.5   **  180.0/360
5 4096mb  44.0 - 46.045.0 - 45.044.0 - 46.044.5 - 45.5    ** 177.5/360

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Unique Openings - Ponder ON, 12 Core/Game: 93% DRAWS

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1 2048mb  44.5 - 45.545.5 - 44.546.5 - 43.547.0 - 43.0**     183.5/360
2 4096mb  45.5 - 44.544.5 - 45.545.5 - 44.546.0 - 44.0 **    181.5/360 
3 512mb   44.5 - 45.545.5 - 44.545.5 - 44.546.0 - 44.0  **   181.5/360  
4 128mb   43.5 - 46.544.5 - 45.544.5 - 45.547.0 - 43.0   **  179.5/360
5 1024mb  43.0 - 47.044.0 - 46.044.0 - 46.043.0 - 47.0    ** 174.0/360

Btw, this is not all..Hash test series are still active...for example
As next, all same..exception the matches will be via Ponder OFF
And let's see what will the influences...
And as usual, all the played games will be after the end of testings...

Posted: **Tue Feb 27, 2024 12:49 am**

UPDATE 3

Eman's Hash test via Ponder OFF is ended too,
Where this time, the Winner is 1024mb Hash

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1 1024mb  112.5 - 113.5115.5 - 110.5112.0 - 114.0114.5 - 111.5**     454.5/904
2 128mb   113.5 - 112.5113.0 - 113.0111.5 - 114.5115.0 - 111.0 **    453.0/904 
3 512mb   110.5 - 115.5113.0 - 113.0115.0 - 111.0114.5 - 111.5  **   453.0/904  
4 4096mb  114.0 - 112.0114.5 - 111.5111.0 - 115.0111.5 - 114.5   **  451.0/904
5 2048mb  111.5 - 114.5111.0 - 115.0111.5 - 114.5114.5 - 111.5    ** 448.5/904

But in Overall Standings (Ponder OFF + Ponder ON)
Then 512 MB Hash size's performance is best...!

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Rank Name     Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 512mb   3801    3    3  1624   50%  3799   96% 
   2 128mb   3800    3    3  1624   50%  3800   96% 
   3 2048mb  3800    3    3  1624   50%  3800   96% 
   4 4096mb  3799    3    3  1624   50%  3800   96% 
   5 1024mb  3798    3    3  1624   50%  3800   95%

GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/z8p3mSgK#bcgOsGHew ... U4g4Nd_l7U

Final words and as I mentioned before,
To be sure, run your own HASH strength testings!
In other words, it all depends on our conditions..
As you see, in my tests: almost same in points..
In same time that shows the stability of test cond.!

IMPORTANT NOTE:
If using weak (unbalanced, handicapped..) openings (in your test..),
Then suggested strongly over than 4000 - 5000 games (per player),
Otherwise... just in case of test with small number of games, then
It's expecting to see not so accurate results...I mean especially
If testing Top chess engines, which are close in strength...

But using strong openings, then Elo error margin is much less,
E.g about 1000 games is enough data..to see the real strength!

Hope helps...

Greetings )

Posted: **Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:27 am**

Great and really needed tour, many thanks!

Best regards;

Posted: **Tue Feb 27, 2024 5:39 am**

Anton101 wrote: Tue Feb 27, 2024 1:27 am Great and really needed tour, many thanks!

Best regards;

+1

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