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The same evidence here :

In the liar's book, Sedat want to tell us that Depth4_xxxxxx has already played the "...c6" move after "1.e4"
In the 1500 games, the "1. e4 {book} b6 {book}" was played 8 times by the GUI (cutechess).



So Depth4_xxxxxx has never played "...c6" because it's a GUI's move.
In this case, cutechess adds the "{book}" mention, that's why there is no evaluation like "1. e4 {book} c6 {x.xx/xx xx}".

TCEC's fans will have recognized this opening from the TCEC Season 22 Superfinal :


As i already showed previously, a liar creates a book with any moves from the games, he does not know how to read a PGN file, he does not know how to differentiate the opening's moves played by the GUI, the book's moves not evaluated by the engines, the moves evaluated by the engines, it's just an ignorant more what !

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Sedat wrote: I created a book based on your published games,
Which is highly tuned to prefer your EXP ([Depth4)

But as the published games also contains opening's moves played by the Cutechess GUI, we can't create a book with only the engine's evaluated moves

Plus, DeeDs used default settings Depth4 played in training mode engine not always followed the most efficient moves.

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deeds wrote: Mon Jul 10, 2023 10:57 am So Depth4_xxxxxx has never played "1 .f4"

True, "1.f4 {book}" is part of the 20.pgn file (20 first moves). Any chance an experience file plays this move from the startposition.

With excuse, I just thought that it refers to “deeds and partners company” in front a big mirror.
Have good times

Every where great knowledge in field of study is associated with personal intelligence can be appropriated and also respectable. About you I can see and understand these two points although, I am not a computer scientist, but I understand that you have unique and rare knowledge in your work. I understand. But it doesn’t mean that you can watch and consider others from up to down and consider they work as unworthy as little tests and attempts. You should not call them with bad words too. ( cheaters, spies, foes, enemies,…).Totally more knowledgeable people should be more humbled too. And can adjust their relationship with others more easily.
Good times

I agree to some extent. But don’t forget that all tests and tournaments that we have in chess forums are fun and hobby tests. They are not exactly a scientific method to determine Engines superiority to each other. Both Sedat and Oliprog always say: we are human and our work isn’t without mistake and defects. I remember that Oliprog asked you respectfully. He told: He is ready to repeat the test with your(deeds) conditions. He even asked for your guidance,but you insulted to him and accused him for cheating. Ok. Why do you call other members liars? What’s the meaning of liar in French dictionary? If someone does a test with a different conditions than you or even in a wrong way, then he is a liar too?The reason that we have gathered here is for fun and joy. Chess is our hobby and also our common language. So don’t think if Eman engine has lost to proteus in a hobby and fun test then an Armageddon has happened. I know that your work is worthy as you are working on a new matter in chess programming ( experience and learning features for engines). But don’t forget we are not in university environment here. If you have any ideas about something or a test condition if you remind to conductors in a polite way they will accept from you but if you say bad words they never accept even if you are completely right. So the decision is yours, you can be a motor and source of energy and also a guid for others or you just want to increase the tensions around yourself.
Regards

Ok. Suppose that I am an engine tester and tournament conductor. I want to use and apply Eman ( an engine with experience file) at my tournament. Can you give me a default setting (recommended setting) for the engine in tournament mode?
Thanks in advance

Homayoun wrote: Sat Nov 09, 2024 3:10 pm Ok. Suppose that I am an engine tester and tournament conductor. I want to use and apply Eman ( an engine with experience file) at my tournament. Can you give me a default setting (recommended setting) for the engine in tournament mode ?
Thanks in advance

But Khalid has already configured the default settings for tournaments in all versions of Eman !!!

From Eman 6.95 until Eman 9.90 :





That's why when I saw Oliprog's custom settings, I saw right away that there was a real intention not to respect Khalid's settings, so not to put the Eman engine in the best conditions, so not to show its real strength. And as he has done several times, we are no longer in the fun or hobby of a tournament, especially from a TD !

If we want the engine to use the experience data of its EXP file as much as possible, we set "Experience Book" to true.

If we want to know if an EXP file brings something to an another engine or not, we set "Experience Book Read Only" to true so as not to corrupt the EXP file with data from an another engine.

If they are honest TDs :
- (before the tournament) they ask the EXP's authors, what are the most effective "Experience Book Best Move", "Experience Book Eval importance", "Experience Book Min Depth" and "Experience Book Max Moives" values ​​for their EXP files with the engine used in the tournament
- (before the tournament) they display the experience rate (percentage) of the EXP file for the list of openings which will be used in the tournament
- (after the tournament) they display the conformity (percentage) of the engine with the experience data of the EXP files
- etc.

Hi deeds
In this way that you explained for me , I think an engine with experience file(on) never is ready to participate in tournaments. These kind of engines are much better used for training human chess players to find the best variant in openings or create innovations for openings. Because in case that you explained when an engine with experience file wants to participate in a tournament it is just like a student who should know all the questions of the exam before beginning of the exam. Then what’s the meaning of the exam? The tournament director should inform all the openings of the tournament to the engine trainer. Then he/she trains the engine and then engine participates in tournament. Then what’s the meaning of tournament? Am I wrong?
Regards

Homayoun wrote: ...
I think an engine with experience file(on) never is ready to participate in tournaments
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Then what’s the meaning of tournament ? Am I wrong ?
...

You're right, an EXP file is a content (database), so it has no strength like all the files.
A file has a known weight, data has a variable precision, that's all.
One can only hope to measure the contribution of an EXP file to an engine but the EXP file itself has no ELO strength.

Homayoun wrote: ...
it is just like a student who should know all the questions of the exam before beginning of the exam.
...
Then what’s the meaning of the exam ?
...

In the order, the professor gives lessons to the student, the student done exercises, the professor checks learned knowledge by an exam.

Homayoun wrote: ...
The tournament director should inform all the openings of the tournament to the engine trainer.
Then he/she trains the engine and then engine participates in tournament.
...

That's why there are some engines trainers who trains the engines on all ECO codes, all usual opening lists, etc.