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Re: Houdini 2 released
Posted: Sat Sep 03, 2011 9:10 am
by Jeremy Bernstein
Prima wrote:JcMaTe wrote:...like i say I'm so crazy jeje for my part I will never buy programs that dependend from other open-source programs
Agreed 100%.
Unless commercial engines' sources codes are available for inspection (by a special group) to ensure "its authenticity" or actual codes from open-source and/or GPLed programs are not in commercial engines, then I feel confident to buy. If not, then I refuse to be taken for a "fool" by commercial engine authors on their commercial engines that could otherwise be a "repackaged" open-source GPL'ed engines.
Call me a pessimist, anti-democratic or whatever, but as long as commercial source codes are closed and/or unverifiable for authenticity, I'm always suspicious of commercial authors, with no special preferences.
That's a sort of extreme position, but it's your money. I generally wait until there's some reason to doubt the authenticity of a piece of software (and in the Houdini case, there is).
Jeremy
Re: Houdini 2 released
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 12:51 pm
by kingliveson
Does Viswanathan Anand get commission from Houdini's sales?
Re: Houdini 2 released
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:30 pm
by Matthias Gemuh
kingliveson wrote:Does Viswanathan Anand get commission from Houdini's sales?
Who guarantees that UNICEF will really get 10% ? Can they sue ?
Re: Houdini 2 released
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 7:39 pm
by Prima
Jeremy Bernstein wrote:Prima wrote:JcMaTe wrote:...like i say I'm so crazy jeje for my part I will never buy programs that dependend from other open-source programs
Agreed 100%.
Unless commercial engines' sources codes are available for inspection (by a special group) to ensure "its authenticity" or actual codes from open-source and/or GPLed programs are not in commercial engines, then I feel confident to buy. If not, then I refuse to be taken for a "fool" by commercial engine authors on their commercial engines that could otherwise be a "repackaged" open-source GPL'ed engines.
Call me a pessimist, anti-democratic or whatever, but as long as commercial source codes are closed and/or unverifiable for authenticity, I'm always suspicious of commercial authors, with no special preferences.
That's a sort of extreme position, but it's your money. I generally wait until there's some reason to doubt the authenticity of a piece of software (and in the Houdini case, there is).
Jeremy
In most cases, GPL software cannot be commercial. Alternatively, If the GPL software goes commercial but it's NOT authentic, then the source code/s for the software MUST be released along WITH the GPL-commercial software. So far, Robert Houdart/Houdini has not complied with either GPL options.
Re: Houdini 2 released
Posted: Sun Sep 04, 2011 11:22 pm
by Jeremy Bernstein
Prima wrote:Jeremy Bernstein wrote:Prima wrote:JcMaTe wrote:...like i say I'm so crazy jeje for my part I will never buy programs that dependend from other open-source programs
Agreed 100%.
Unless commercial engines' sources codes are available for inspection (by a special group) to ensure "its authenticity" or actual codes from open-source and/or GPLed programs are not in commercial engines, then I feel confident to buy. If not, then I refuse to be taken for a "fool" by commercial engine authors on their commercial engines that could otherwise be a "repackaged" open-source GPL'ed engines.
Call me a pessimist, anti-democratic or whatever, but as long as commercial source codes are closed and/or unverifiable for authenticity, I'm always suspicious of commercial authors, with no special preferences.
That's a sort of extreme position, but it's your money. I generally wait until there's some reason to doubt the authenticity of a piece of software (and in the Houdini case, there is).
Jeremy
In most cases, GPL software cannot be commercial. Alternatively, If the GPL software goes commercial but it's NOT authentic, then the source code/s for the software MUST be released along WITH the GPL-commercial software. So far, Robert Houdart/Houdini has not complied with either GPL options.
Houdini isn't based on GPL sources. It's based on unlicensed sources. He can legally do what he wants with them.
jb
Re: Houdini 2 released
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 12:05 am
by hyatt
Maybe or maybe not. If you believe someone wrote robolito, then they clearly hold the copyright unless the explicitly disclaimed it in writing. If they did that, anyone can use it unless it is shown to be derived from Rybka, for example...
Re: Houdini 2 released
Posted: Mon Sep 05, 2011 10:41 pm
by JcMaTe
How Dr Hyatt can be sure that Robert Houdart dont have nothing from crafty ? it seem that Vas and Houdart loves crafty , If I'm not wrong Vas say that he took Ideas from Crafty ( more than ideas ) and Robert Houdart in his old website he say Without many ideas from the excellent open source chess engines Ippolit/Robbolito, Stockfish and Crafty, Houdini would not nearly be as strong as it is now.
It seem that Robert Houdart and Vas have the same ideas !!
Like you all have been saying to writte a chess program will take a lot of time right? I mean starting from scratch.
Re: Houdini 2 released
Posted: Thu Sep 08, 2011 4:45 pm
by kingliveson
hyatt wrote:Maybe or maybe not. If you believe someone wrote robolito, then they clearly hold the copyright unless the explicitly disclaimed it in writing. If they did that, anyone can use it unless it is shown to be derived from Rybka, for example...
It seems there's still some confusions as to who released RobboLito. "RobboLito is in the IPPOLIT series. The best currently is in IvanHoe."
FAQ on IPPOLIT website:
Code: Select all
Q. How copyright IPPOLIT?
A. Publicdomain (workers), only.
Q. What is RobboLito?
A. RobboLito is the version of IPPOLIT that now contains endgame tablebases, the RobboBases.
IPPOLIT.c: May 20, 2009 (May 3rd?)
RobboLito-0.084: September 14, 2009
Re: Houdini 2 released
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 1:11 am
by Uly
Robbolito was also the strongest in the series before MP was implemented.
Re: Houdini 2 released
Posted: Fri Sep 09, 2011 2:01 am
by JcMaTe
Uly wrote:Robbolito was also the strongest in the series before MP was implemented.
I agreed with you !