when a daily tester lies to people...

[deeds]

When we tries to explain something to Sedat, for example with this rulleeeee's post :

SedatChess, Deeds only writes about tournaments related to experience files.
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Yes, I agree. Deeds has the best tournament and engine settings but related to experience files.

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Sedat's lunar reaction :

@ to Rulleeeee
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Why are you advertising Deeds's work here?
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please, stay far from here!
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How much commission do you get from Deeds sales ?
Otherwise, I see no point that you are advertising him..
Oh pardon, maybe Deeds = Rulleeeee ??
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So after this IbaiBuR's post... :

DeeDs techniques are best techniques to train engines, believe it or not, but there is already a loooot of evidence of this...
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...did Sedat also believe that DeeDs = IbaiBuR !?


So after this Anton101's post... :

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It only remains to learn how to use the tools that Deeds has left in his repository on GitHub, work on the training of the engine, and have patience, this takes time. But, it's worth it.
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...did Sedat also believe that DeeDs = Anton101 !?

[deeds]

Thank you all for warning me about this other Sedat's lie :

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Your ban is removed again..and now you are member in Outskirts forum..hehe ))
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This can't be true
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Yet this is what also happened to Sedat :

@ Sedat Canbaz

Ban removed.

Greetings

So there is no reason why it shouldn't happen to others.

[deeds]

Thank you all for warning me about this other Sedat's lie.

When Sedat thinked he created an exact copy of my EXP files without my Eman's learning/tourney games, without the games/openings i reinforced at D40, without the experience data i manually updated, without the key position i analyzed at D70, etc :

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In Deeds test: Depth4 exp managed to win all His opponents (opening books)
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Under SCCT: almost all books are performed better than Depth4...
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One thing more, it looks likes under SCCT conditions:
DeeDs techniques are NOT best techniques for sure !!
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And when Sedat confessed his lies above :

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your work is never played in SCCT
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A little bonus, here are some examples of the disastrous SCCT conditions :
https://outskirts.altervista.org/forum/ ... ost#p66382
https://outskirts.altervista.org/forum/ ... ost#p66383
You are not dreaming, Sedat's settings are so bad that it even disrupts the engine's evaluations !

[deeds]

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Since he is not so much experienced (maybe 3-4 years in testings)
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Oops, twice as experienced

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Deeds target is now become more clear for sure, He tries to sell Exp
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it seems He doesn't want to gain much Euro
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Nonsense If you don't want to gain much money, you don't try to sell something.

Reminder : I discovered the Sedat's unfair behavior on July, 2022 and I opened the sales of my first EXP file on April, 2023. So what Sedat considered an attack could not have been an attempt to sell something.

[deeds]

For those who want to have a laugh :

unfair tourney

[sarona]

Well. . . that data is not news to me.

He clearly did not understand the error of his ways when running that test (although, it appears he FINALLY did realize his oversight later on)


You want to have another laugh?
You will be pleased to know that AlexChess's ProteusSF is second-last (17th place) in his latest Championship posted here:
viewtopic.php?f=4&p=38235#p38235

Why would any experienced tester (and, no doubt, Sedat is a veteran in computer chess) include that thing in a serious tournament? Why not ShashChess?

P.S.
And no, I am not deeds using another fake account. Although I wish I was in France right now. Pretty cold here with snow. . .

[deeds]

He clearly did not understand the error of his ways when running that test

In any case, the ground is starting to shift under Sedat's feet.
Previously his own supporters/participants denounced the conditions of his tournaments, that his behavior no longer suited them and that his messages were polluting.
Sedat either banned them or added them to his foes list.
And now his comments are censored :
https://chess.massimilianogoi.com/forum ... 3200#p3200
His thread was even locked :
https://chess.massimilianogoi.com/forum ... 3206#p3206

(although, it appears he FINALLY did realize his oversight later on)

After Rulleeeee, you are the 2nd person to think that !?
For me, Sedat is still the least enlightened TD in terms of EXP files / learning engines.
But maybe you or Rulleeeee have found something in all Sedat's messages, because I haven't...

Why would any experienced tester (and, no doubt, Sedat is a veteran in computer chess) include that thing in a serious tournament ?

I have already explained several times why specialized TDs in ENG+BOOK tournaments sabotage the performance of learning engines...

Why not ShashChess ?

https://chess.massimilianogoi.com/forum ... 3208#p3208

[deeds]

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although, it appears he FINALLY did realize his oversight later on
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I doubt that Sedat understands that he is ranking nets rather than learning methods.

How long will it take Sedat to understand that Brainlearn 30 is embedding one of the very latest 2024 nets when Eman 9.51 is embedding one of the first 2023 sfnnv7_compressed nets ? So we don't know if the engine won thanks to its net or thanks to its learning method...

if there are 60 openings, it would take at least 30k games/engine for each engine to start learning something in each opening. But since there are 18 engines in a round-robin, it would take 540k games. And this is where we understand that Sedat has again used a concurrency > 1 with learning engines

[rulleeeee]

But maybe you or Rulleeeee have found something in all Sedat's messages, because I haven't...

These were just my thoughts, but I guess he really didn't understand anything and on top of that he is as stubborn as a child in his beliefs...

[deeds]

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if there are 60 openings, it would take at least 30k games/engine for each engine to start learning something in each opening. But since there are 18 engines in a round-robin, it would take 540k games. And this is where we understand that Sedat has again used a concurrency > 1 with learning engines

In 2024, after years of explanations, proofs, tests, experiments, who still tests the learning feature of an engine with a concurrency > 1 ?
Only Sedat :

source

In 2024, after years of explanations, proofs, tests, experiments, who still tests the learning feature of an engine with only 50 games per opening ?
Only Sedat :

source