personal attacks : when they have no more arguments...

[Sedat Canbaz]

@ just one more posting (again for honest members)

Well, why each time Deeds is mentioning Sedat, Sedat, Sedat..
Is not already became so boring ? I'm not one as TD on this world !!
If still not so clear, Deeds have to forget Sedat..
We are in 2024, he should wake up...
Moreover, will be not bad idea, if he will look others TDs !!!

If I have no skills such as I am bad in Book vs Exp tours etc.
Then I assume many of here has a PC, a Fritz GUI etc.
What is left? announce, ask, send invitations to all authors..
If still no so clear: let's the party to begin..but the way
What Deeds is doing...in my opinion he is totally wrong again!

By the way (for anyone missed too),
Almost same Exp (Khalid) is played in BOOK/EXP/NNUE I:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-1

And unfortunately performed as last rank:

Code: Select all

Rank Name                  Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
  21 Khalid, Eman          3773    2    2   600   48%  3782   95% 

And during in above EXP tour,
I installed a new fresh copy of Khalid exp..note also that
Eman engine did not crash...due to played many players in round-robin
Otherwise, in case of Gauntlet, then usually Eman series are crashing..
Actually here we have to discuss about stability.. not training mode etc.
Because stability is one of most important parts..at least for my side !!

What I can say more,
Almost same exp (with re-named as StockfishMZ) played in Duel I too:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ook-vs-exp

Btw, why I say almost same exp? since
I used the exactly the same StockfishMZ (during the duel vs ProteusSF too)
So I decided as best and ideal way to be played via name StockfishMZ..
Since I assume also real experts will agree with Me.. because it has
Plenty learned data from previous played duel games (vs ProteusSF), right ?
And once more, not everything as it seems !

In other words,
Deeds has to find real facts, true arguments... before accusing..
Is is all? not of course..he has to apologize to all chess community:
But I hardly doubt that he will do for all his mistakes over and over (:

Hope helps and that's all

[deeds]

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But don’t forget that all tests and tournaments that we have in chess forums are fun and hobby tests. They are not exactly a scientific method to determine Engines superiority to each other.
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The reason that we have gathered here is for fun and joy.
Chess is our hobby and also our common language
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But don’t forget we are not in university environment here
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Except that Sedat's touneys are not presented like only simple or fun or hobby tests, the proof :


We agree, we are not in university environment so It's even worse when Sedat wanted to give lessons to the learning engines / EXP files authors when the bugs come from his own unfair tourneys conditions, the proof :




My favorite is the one where Sedat is so ignorant of learning engine settings that he invents a disadvantage for books when he only had to set "experience book read only" to true :


Reminder : Sedat never understood why he couldn't use a concurrency > 1 for a tourney of EXP files !

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I remember that Oliprog asked you respectfully. He told: He is ready to repeat the test with your(deeds) conditions. He even asked for your guidance,but you insulted to him and accused him for cheating.
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Oliprog had already run several unfair tournaments before I exposed his settings with supporting evidence. Previously, it was Sedat who did it several times. It's too dubious for TDs.

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Why do you call other members liars ?
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Because 1 or 2 lies on various subjects can be isolated errors, 10 or 20 lies on the same subject by the same people they are liars.

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So don’t think if Eman engine has lost to proteus in a hobby and fun test then an Armageddon has happened.
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You don't care because you're not the author of Eman or ProteusSF, because you don't have decades of work/data to waste on these tournament parodies, etc. There are people who work on projects for years, it's human that they react violently when someone wants to ridicule them or lie about the quality of their product.

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If you have any ideas about something or a test condition if you remind to conductors in a polite way they will accept from you but if you say bad words they never accept even if you are completely right.
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You say that because you don't realize how much a simple screenshot (I mean without insults or advice) can be considered by TDs as a shattering proof of their ignorance/incompetence. Especially when this simple screenshot suddenly calls into question several of their tournaments !

[deeds]

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What I can say more,
Almost same exp (with re-named as StockfishMZ) played in Duel I too:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ook-vs-exp

Btw, why I say almost same exp? since
I used the exactly the same StockfishMZ (during the duel vs ProteusSF too)
So I decided as best and ideal way to be played via name StockfishMZ..
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Let's explain it again for the umpteenth time : at that time, there was no EXP file containing experience data provided by the StockfishMZ engine. The EXP file you used was not sent by M.Z. Originally it was an EXP file from Khalid with experience data from Eman. At SedatChess, StockfishMZ will never have played with its own original EXP file containing experience data created by StockfishMZ.

[Homayoun]

Ok. Suppose that I am an engine tester and tournament conductor. I want to use and apply Eman ( an engine with experience file) at my tournament. Can you give me a default setting (recommended setting) for the engine in tournament mode?
Thanks in advance

[Sedat Canbaz]

1st of all,
About the above Duel screenshot, as source (SCCT):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ournaments

Continuing...

I see that this thread is going to different direction
How is sad that Deeds is still talking about 2022 year (:

Again and again,
We are 2024, Deeds should wake up !!

In other words,
What a waste of time and I am tired to explain all over and over!

And I have a question to all honest people here:
Is this can be normall, talking for 2022 years ?

What is also strange, but very strange,
When StockfishMZ was a Winner over ProteusSF
No any complains, no any attacks by Deeds !!
Then I was a very honest TD (in their eyes),
But just when StockfishMZ is lost ..WOW..
Deeds started to talk for almost 3 years.. hehe.. ))
Such as M.Z did not sent EXP to Sedat etc and etc
And in I still remember (Deeds 1st attack in Outskirts)
What a HUGE lie etc..

That's it.. now we know more about these kind of brains:
If they are Winners = Silence
If they are Loosers = BIG lie

By the way, where has been Deeds in those times, when
I organized the above Duel too (StockfishMZ vs ProtesuSF)?
I can understand if was in past, when Deeds was out...
But my current shared Duel screenshot belongs to close dates,
Some days ago..before organizing 1st Duel Book vs EXP I (in 2022)

And once more,
The same Eman exp (named as StockfishMZ) later used
Sure I refer during Duel Book vs EXP I

Meanwhile,
Forget everything... let's concentrate over the private EXP (Igbo)
It's played as without permission by Mr. Jorge (in Deeds 2024 tour)
Actually this is as real SCANDAL here, just saying !!

On other hand,
I think that permission not required for public+ free releases !!
Who knows? maybe, this is a new rule ? I have to ask from M.Z?
If so..don't worry..I'm not interested in his engines since 2023

Actually what is also strange... Deeds is trying to fool or maybe serious
Not sure exactly...but if so really will be madness to take permissions.. hehe ))
I mean for free and public releases...but I afraid to say also that,
I expect everything from them such people as Deeds ...!!! I mean
If there will be a such rule..if so next time we've to ask from SF team or others etc
Such as taking permissions...before organizing our tournaments, duels... LOL )))

As final words, since as usual, I do my best for more fair cond.
And again and again, I wish to say:
I may run a new Duel..but just in case if there will be
Be a request by real Authors (not due to Deeds comments)
Since he is NOT as 'efficient' here at all in this Duel subject!


Best,
Sedat

[deeds]

Ok. Suppose that I am an engine tester and tournament conductor. I want to use and apply Eman ( an engine with experience file) at my tournament. Can you give me a default setting (recommended setting) for the engine in tournament mode ?
Thanks in advance

But Khalid has already configured the default settings for tournaments in all versions of Eman !!!

From Eman 6.95 until Eman 9.90 :





That's why when I saw Oliprog's custom settings, I saw right away that there was a real intention not to respect Khalid's settings, so not to put the Eman engine in the best conditions, so not to show its real strength. And as he has done several times, we are no longer in the fun or hobby of a tournament, especially from a TD !

If we want the engine to use the experience data of its EXP file as much as possible, we set "Experience Book" to true.

If we want to know if an EXP file brings something to an another engine or not, we set "Experience Book Read Only" to true so as not to corrupt the EXP file with data from an another engine.

If they are honest TDs :
- (before the tournament) they ask the EXP's authors, what are the most effective "Experience Book Best Move", "Experience Book Eval importance", "Experience Book Min Depth" and "Experience Book Max Moives" values ​​for their EXP files with the engine used in the tournament
- (before the tournament) they display the experience rate (percentage) of the EXP file for the list of openings which will be used in the tournament
- (after the tournament) they display the conformity (percentage) of the engine with the experience data of the EXP files
- etc.

[Sedat Canbaz]

By the way,
we have reached the point of disagreement, it is time for me to continue without you.
Source,
http://outskirts.altervista.org/forum/v ... 8&start=10

Hehe )) since 2022, a lot of disagreements..
but still Deeds is came/connected via my work !)
In short, not everything as it seems..

Actually still I did not give one of last, but as important lessons to Deeds!
As I stated earlier...he refused my help offer too early..sad..and he made
As another serious error, actually rather it seems as SCANDAL news about:

In case of private EXP testings/tours:
Deeds made a BIG mistake via renaming from Hypnos exp to Igbo exp, exception:
Only in case if real Author's permissions...in that case from Mr. Jorge

But unfortunately Deeds did not ask, why ? still under question!

Easy to criticize about others work, but when related to his own work: Ooops!

Now this Deeds will talk about honest, fair conditions ??
The book authors are also spend enormous efforts !
But Deeds loved to name them as original book names,
Where he forced them totally with unusual book lines!
And Why? answer is clear: 80 Euro, sounds not, right ?

And now I remembered again.. what kind of bullshit of tests was doing Deeds e.g
In his own tours.. such as testing many books under non-suggested book settings!

Again easy to criticize about others, but when related to his own work, Ooops again !

Next time,
I will think about to give him useful lessons anymore or not..
Because this guy never prefer to say: THANKS, but loves to
Ask per EXP: 80 Euro

Greetings

[deeds]

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When learning engines and EXP files appeared, it is easy to understand that Sedat (at the very least) had no interest or (at worst) was afraid that these technologies (learning engines / EXP files) would make him lose decades of tests and data on the books.
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Reminder : Sedat never understood why he couldn't use a concurrency > 1 for a tourney of EXP files !
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For the record, evidence from September, 2023 :

source

[Sedat Canbaz]

And as we see, same boring story as before:
When Deeds has no any arguments to replay..
What he does ? nothing, exc. Sedat Sedat Sedat

If Deeds was in 'good' relation with experienced TDs..
Situation would be different..but not my problem!

At least he would not make fatal errors! but not too late
To fix them.. and I think as most important thing is that,
He (Deeds) should not make the same mistakes as twice...
Learning is not bad at all, right ?)

Btw, a useful saying all over:
The lone sheep is in danger of the wolf

On other hand, actually I wrote today here, once more, but as
Last try..because this thread is becoming too boring for my side!
Anyhow once more, but in different way, anyone here is free to
Find other/s TDs.. who will manage to run under Deeds's rules!
I am not from Deeds team and I have no such candidate plans !)

Anyhow, as a friendly advice:
Just in case of serious Duels, Tours etc.will be great EXP
Files (incl. Deeds commercial exp too) to be played under
Fritz GUIs, since mostly CTG books have learning future too!
Btw, do not forget to add commercial CTG series: DON, GOI,
1337Chess, Fauzi, Solista, Hiarcs etc. in this way, we will
See influences: CTG, EXP where many chess friends will benefit!
And I assume that Deeds sales will be boost in much better way!
In the end, many said: Deeds has best of the best techniques!)

One thing more
Testing EXP files (learning) vs BIN book (non-learning) is
Become already too boring and moreover not much fair too!
Btw, why each time I recommend such as:
Fritz GUI should be used?.. in this way, it will be great !!
Because NPS will be cleared...pardon, games should be available!
Otherwise, non of us can check NPS values.. just saying again!
If not, forget about it... anyhow, just in case.. please do not
Follow Deeds's opinion.. you may know, he does not share games!
No Games = No Trust!

For my side, even I say:
Deeds Tests: No NPS = No Trust too !!

Because real and successful Author/s, TDs etc.
They love sharing games, new releases for free!
As we know: the more we share the more we have!

Finely,
Here my job is ending...and that's all from me )

Exc. as last advice,

hey Deeds,
It's time to move on !!

Hope helps )

[deeds]

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But unfortunately Deeds did not ask, why ? still under question!
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I have said it several times, engine trainers are in direct contact, most often in private (PMs, skype, emails, etc.).


On public forums, off list people can only see :



Sorry Sedat, you are off the list


And while Sedat understood nothing about concurrency > 1 and EXP files, people learn and move forward :