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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

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pawn-value based experience file : experience data purely trained by Eman engine until 8.40 release (before Nov 5, 2022 patch)

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men, book width = 2

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       4     50    50.5     100  50.5    1   99    0  99.0       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    49.5     100  49.5    0   99    1  99.0       4     1

White advantage = 3.51 +/- 25.14
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings (Cute 130523's Opening Rate : 87%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : 20 first legal moves (Cute 130523's Opening Rate : 35%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       9     81    20.5      40  51.3    2   37    1  92.5       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    19.5      40  48.8    1   37    2  92.5       9     1

White advantage = -26.35 +/- 40.96
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit (Cute 130523's Opening Rate : 4%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :      49     69    28.5      50  57.0   11   35    4  70.0       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    21.5      50  43.0    4   35   11  70.0      49     1

White advantage = 7.15 +/- 35.50
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings (Cute 130523's Opening Rate : 0%)

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :     150     68    65.5     100  65.5   39   53    8  53.0       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----    34.5     100  34.5    8   53   39  53.0     150     1

White advantage = 199.36 +/- 34.98
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

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Overall :

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_040923.exp (Eman 8.40)    :      45     27   180.0     320  56.3   53  254   13  79.4       0     1
   2 Cute 130523.bin (Eman 8.40)      :       0   ----   140.0     320  43.8   13  254   53  79.4      45     1

White advantage = 49.29 +/- 13.64
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players               : avg. D31, 002 033 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 034 221 moves

cute 130523 (eman 8.40)   : avg. D32, 002 134 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 016 329 moves
depth4_040923 (eman 8.40) : avg. D30, 001 941 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 017 892 moves

Averages :
0 217 sec/game (4 min/game)
120 plies/game (107 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 003 253 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D29, 001 656 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D37, 001 221 ms/move
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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Thank you very, very much DeeDs !
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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Only DeeDs achieves such results. Nobody else comes to the same conclusion as him.
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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If you had his experience file, you would have the same results as him.
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rulleeeee wrote: Mon Aug 12, 2024 9:42 am If you had his experience file, you would have the same results as him.
Thanks ... people who still believe that i edited the pgn file in order to switch the engine's names in the TAGs.
I bet they still use learning engines in training mode with merged experience files corrupted by WDL-based scores from various engines.
They didn't have D.C.S. nor a pure trained experience file.
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unenlightened daily tester wrote: Sat Jul 27, 2024 10:25 am ...nowadays 'Learning' is not much effictive or important..
hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men, book width = 2

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)     :      11     49    51.5     100  51.5    3   97    0  97.0       0     1
   2 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    48.5     100  48.5    0   97    3  97.0      11     1

White advantage = 10.53 +/- 25.03
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men, book width = 2

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings

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   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)     :      12     94    15.5      30  51.7    1   29    0  96.7       0     1
   2 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    14.5      30  48.3    0   29    1  96.7      12     1

White advantage = 11.70 +/- 46.76
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men, book width = 2

Opening list : 20 first legal moves

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   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)     :      18     81    21.0      40  52.5    2   38    0  95.0       0     1
   2 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    19.0      40  47.5    0   38    2  95.0      18     1

White advantage = -17.58 +/- 41.39
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit

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   # PLAYER                            :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_120824.exp (Eman 8.40)     :      49     69    28.5      50  57.0   11   35    4  70.0       0     1
   2 CallMeX 011122.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    21.5      50  43.0    4   35   11  70.0      49     1

White advantage = 7.15 +/- 35.50
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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