Breaking News (19.05.2024):
Well, via this update the standing slightly changed.. and as you may see too,
We have a new Public Champion (Adrian Oliva) another great one, plus free!
And according to Mr. Morano it's based on Oliprog book tests. but I admit that
Exc. A. Morono proves again as he is real master..plus via this test, it's clear
Oliprog's produced database seems to be very good (in strength / quality) too!
Btw, while we talk about quality...latest SCCT book is not so bad in quality too)
As usual, based on Balsa, Perfect books, but this time includes the draws too!
And as before, SCCT is created without tuning...just imagine if I will sill start..)
On other hand, my real opponents are CCRL, CEGT, TCEC etc I mean they
Prefer to play various openings and created in same method as SCCT book!
Other my non-tuned one is Unique book, based on latest Unique suite games
What I'm trying to tell you, the ones which perform lower than SCCT book are
Not tuned very well or simply old-dated.. or they prefer weaker opening lines...
There is no other explanation of that...right ?)
Sure Raubfish may play some influence...but again and again, via stronger NN
Assistance every fool can play stronger..most important as with less assistance
Anyhow this is just a fun tour.. and please do not take too seriously the results!
Private Book Champion: HCan 160524 - Congratulations to Hamdullah Can!
Public Book Champion Adrian Oliva - Congratulations to Angel Morano too!
For Latest Ranking:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-30
Best,
Sedat
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Thank you very much Sedat.
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UPDATE
SCCT BOOK/NNUE XXX's Players:
More Details:
All above books are non-my work, released mainly in 2024
Where FGRL, CCRL, CEDR, CEGT, SCCT, SSDF, TCEC etc. are
My work, which are based on theirs high-rated eng games
In other words, main target is that (via including them)
Simply to stress and test vs latest TREND opening books
Otherwise, only TREND lines sounds good, but not enough..
Now is more clear, which are strongest in overall lines!
Btw SPCC is out, as reason..includes many weak openings,
E.g these lines play as soft touch (for some opponents..)
You know, the target is to make cond. harder (not easier)
And please stay tuned,
Very soon a newer DON 190524 book vers. is coming!
Other strong players: Flavo, Varied are entered too!
And let's see what will be the next new standings...?!
GOOD LUCK TO ALL
Greetings )
SCCT BOOK/NNUE XXX's Players:
Code: Select all
Opening Book Book Author
Adrian Oliva Angel Morano
Adrio Ian Hunavich
AsRock Ian Hunavich
Best Cevdet Sarı
Bronco Anton Ces
Bullet SBT Skynet (Aleks)
DON Vasid Chouhan
Everest Ivan Alekseev
Flavo Tanick Ramz
Hazel Nate
HCan Hamdullah Can
HCanFree Hamdullah Can
Leschats Jorge Centelles
MegaTron Tanick Ramz
MoonBaseAlpha BuBs
ORIONPAX Roger Constantinesco
Pampa Angel Morano
Pyramid Angel Morano
SENTINEL Roger Constantinesco
Unicornio Angel Morano
Varied Hamdullah CanAll above books are non-my work, released mainly in 2024
Where FGRL, CCRL, CEDR, CEGT, SCCT, SSDF, TCEC etc. are
My work, which are based on theirs high-rated eng games
In other words, main target is that (via including them)
Simply to stress and test vs latest TREND opening books
Otherwise, only TREND lines sounds good, but not enough..
Now is more clear, which are strongest in overall lines!
Btw SPCC is out, as reason..includes many weak openings,
E.g these lines play as soft touch (for some opponents..)
You know, the target is to make cond. harder (not easier)
And please stay tuned,
Very soon a newer DON 190524 book vers. is coming!
Other strong players: Flavo, Varied are entered too!
And let's see what will be the next new standings...?!
GOOD LUCK TO ALL
Greetings )
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Update 2
A new Dara 200524 is entered too (by Mrs. Afifah Alisyadara)
And soon as possible, I hope to test it as well...
Good luck,
Sedat
A new Dara 200524 is entered too (by Mrs. Afifah Alisyadara)
And soon as possible, I hope to test it as well...
Good luck,
Sedat
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Breaking News (20.05.2024):
Via this update, the standings slightly changed again.. where unfortunately
HCan lost the lead ..but still very close..you know, even to be 2nd is great!
And yes, the new Leading opening book: DON 190524...and no doubt that
Vasid Chouhan is man who knows how to be Number One..and he proved
Not once not twice..many times! actually as same words are going for many
Other authors too and I'm not going to count all but Biyuya, ConrRog, HCan
Are definitely one of them, sure I admit also that we have other great talents
As well.e.g some of them is Dara's, MegoTron's authors... as you may see,
They are one of the Top ranks! plus we should not forget to mention Cevdet,
M. Goi, Hurnavich, J. Centelles, A. Ces, Skynet etc they are one of best too!
Sure there are other talents, who create very strong books, but no free time
To count all...e.g many of them are not active (in book making) nowadays..
Btw, (for anyone interested) here is participant list of current Book Players:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ayers-2024
Private Book Champion: DON 190524 - Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!
Public Book Champion Adrian Oliva - Congratulations to Angel Morano too!
For Latest Ranking:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-30
Greetings )
Via this update, the standings slightly changed again.. where unfortunately
HCan lost the lead ..but still very close..you know, even to be 2nd is great!
And yes, the new Leading opening book: DON 190524...and no doubt that
Vasid Chouhan is man who knows how to be Number One..and he proved
Not once not twice..many times! actually as same words are going for many
Other authors too and I'm not going to count all but Biyuya, ConrRog, HCan
Are definitely one of them, sure I admit also that we have other great talents
As well.e.g some of them is Dara's, MegoTron's authors... as you may see,
They are one of the Top ranks! plus we should not forget to mention Cevdet,
M. Goi, Hurnavich, J. Centelles, A. Ces, Skynet etc they are one of best too!
Sure there are other talents, who create very strong books, but no free time
To count all...e.g many of them are not active (in book making) nowadays..
Btw, (for anyone interested) here is participant list of current Book Players:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ayers-2024
Private Book Champion: DON 190524 - Congratulations to Vasid Chouhan!
Public Book Champion Adrian Oliva - Congratulations to Angel Morano too!
For Latest Ranking:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-30
Greetings )
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Hello Chess Friends,
1st of all,
Let Me start please with this new saying:
The more I learn about Top NNUE engines,
The more I see Top similarity each other!
To be more clear,
Similarity tools are not so dead, but even rather I would say
The ORIGINALITY is almost dead when it comes to NNUE!
But I admit too we have many programmers who are honest
And do not hide from where come theirs eng origins...right?
What about all others programmers? if still not so clear:
All these strong ideas are came directly from MARS or ?) and
How many of the created engines are started from scratch?)
For these reasons, I like the authors of SF-based engines too!
If nothing else these authors are fair...and give Me one reason
To not test Raubfish or RapRora or Fat Fritz...since these engines
Suit to the current used rules (up to 70% in similarity is allowed..)
Meanwhile, you can download the latest SIMEX2's Test Results,
https://mega.nz/file/X8AkSRbK#EDK-DDYRM ... 47KYuYaqd8
Where I assume you'll see and know about what is going on..
And here are the latest played results (main target 3600+):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-50
The Champion is again Stockfish 16.1- Congratulations to Stockfish Team!
Strange..latest SF dev. performed worse, normally newer should be better..
And a few more words about original Top chess engines,
Before NNUE, the similarity was mainly up to 40%-50%,
Where sounds perfectly fine to Me, not sure about you?
But nowadays, these numbers are increased av. 60%-70%
Sure I refer about using 100ms and 1 core but if using
Slower TC + more cores then similarity is much higher!
Besides I refer also about such Top engines, which are
Considering ORIGINAL (by the vast majority of people)!
Btw, if we are not going to use the Similarities tools,
Then I wonder: who are best experts in recognizing the
originality of the engines? because I see many testers,
Who refuse to test many of the available engines, very
likely such as in their eyes: they are non-original,
Where theirs tested engines are as original work, sure
This a long story, anyhow as last words, I can say over:
Trust, but verify!
Because for less double standards:
I'm doing my best to prefer that way!
Hope helps and have a nice weekend )
Best,
Sedat
1st of all,
Let Me start please with this new saying:
The more I learn about Top NNUE engines,
The more I see Top similarity each other!
To be more clear,
Similarity tools are not so dead, but even rather I would say
The ORIGINALITY is almost dead when it comes to NNUE!
But I admit too we have many programmers who are honest
And do not hide from where come theirs eng origins...right?
What about all others programmers? if still not so clear:
All these strong ideas are came directly from MARS or ?) and
How many of the created engines are started from scratch?)
For these reasons, I like the authors of SF-based engines too!
If nothing else these authors are fair...and give Me one reason
To not test Raubfish or RapRora or Fat Fritz...since these engines
Suit to the current used rules (up to 70% in similarity is allowed..)
Meanwhile, you can download the latest SIMEX2's Test Results,
https://mega.nz/file/X8AkSRbK#EDK-DDYRM ... 47KYuYaqd8
Where I assume you'll see and know about what is going on..
And here are the latest played results (main target 3600+):
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... nnue-cs-50
The Champion is again Stockfish 16.1- Congratulations to Stockfish Team!
Strange..latest SF dev. performed worse, normally newer should be better..
And a few more words about original Top chess engines,
Before NNUE, the similarity was mainly up to 40%-50%,
Where sounds perfectly fine to Me, not sure about you?
But nowadays, these numbers are increased av. 60%-70%
Sure I refer about using 100ms and 1 core but if using
Slower TC + more cores then similarity is much higher!
Besides I refer also about such Top engines, which are
Considering ORIGINAL (by the vast majority of people)!
Btw, if we are not going to use the Similarities tools,
Then I wonder: who are best experts in recognizing the
originality of the engines? because I see many testers,
Who refuse to test many of the available engines, very
likely such as in their eyes: they are non-original,
Where theirs tested engines are as original work, sure
This a long story, anyhow as last words, I can say over:
Trust, but verify!
Because for less double standards:
I'm doing my best to prefer that way!
Hope helps and have a nice weekend )
Best,
Sedat
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Thank you very much, Sedat. Great informative and learning tips in your posts as always.
Best regards
Best regards
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You are welcome dear friends )
Greetings )
Greetings )