Ramz Tours & TESTS

[Sedat Canbaz]

MANY THANKS TO MR TANICK... I JUST GOT IT
IF NOT TODAY, TOMORROW I HOPE TO TEST IT...

GOOD LUCK )

[OrgZ]

You are always welcome friend

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello dear Tanick,

Well, I realized to run a quick test and according to my results,
Stockfish 16.1 performed better than TacticaL Gear 2: + 5 Elo

Btw, I still did not check your played games, but based on
Your shared results.. SCCT's draw-ratio is higher than yours..
Very likeky your openings are weaker, more critical than Balsa
Or maybe your used openings are strong.. but so much draw diff.
Can be due to hardware speed differences between mine and yours
Sure other factors can be about draw, performance influences..
But at least it is clear that my data is based on 500 games..
You know, testings with more games is better, less error margin!

Ok..too many comments )) here are the played results:

SCCT - Bullet: Stockfish 16.1 Vs TacticaL Gear 2

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1   Stockfish 16.1   +8/-1/=491 50.70%  253.5/500
2   TacticaL Gear 2  +1/-8/=491 49.30%  246.5/500

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, Balsa, 30s+0.5s, 64 Hash, 4-MEN

GAMES:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/rFvHNxod


Best,
Sedat

[OrgZ]

Hello dear Tanick,

Well, I realized to run a quick test and according to my results,
Stockfish 16.1 performed better than TacticaL Gear 2: + 5 Elo

Btw, I still did not check your played games, but based on
Your shared results.. SCCT's draw-ratio is higher than yours..
Very likeky your openings are weaker, more critical than Balsa
Or maybe your used openings are strong.. but so much draw diff.
Can be due to hardware speed differences between mine and yours
Sure other factors can be about draw, performance influences..
But at least it is clear that my data is based on 500 games..
You know, testings with more games is better, less error margin!

Ok..too many comments )) here are the played results:

SCCT - Bullet: Stockfish 16.1 Vs TacticaL Gear 2

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1   Stockfish 16.1   +8/-1/=491 50.70%  253.5/500
2   TacticaL Gear 2  +1/-8/=491 49.30%  246.5/500

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, Balsa, 30s+0.5s, 64 Hash, 4-MEN

GAMES:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/rFvHNxod


Best,
Sedat

Thanks Sedat. yes it is as i said that am pretty sure in your hardware/conditions (you used 30s+0.5s i used 1m+1s and we have different opening suites )we are going to get something different . i created my openings from CcrL games.

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello Tanick,

Not at all...

I see...but any NN test (sure if via latest SF NN based ones)
I mean about those games with close to 80% draw ratio...
Simply should be under LUPE (magnifying glass)) !)
Because no way under serious, optımal cond.to see these low draw numbers )

Forget everything.. even as NON-NN:
Many 3500+ engines (Houdini, asmFish etc) produce close to 80% draws...

Anyhow, another test but this time 2 private NN engines played:
Where SCCT's draw ratio is close to 96% even with 30s+0.5s

SCCT Duel - SF Pro Vs TG: 1 Elo (in favour for T.Gear 2)
In other words, both almost identical in Elo strength

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1   TacticaL Gear 2  +11/-10/=479 50.10%  250.5/500
2   SF 290224 Pro    +10/-11/=479 49.90%  249.5/500

GAMES:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/7rpXC22P

Conditions:
2x Epyc 7B12, CuteChess, 1 Core, Ponder OFF, 30s+0.5s, Balsa, 64 Hash, 4-MEN

Have fun,
Sedat

[OrgZ]

close indeed. Thanks for the test Sedat!

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello chess friends )

Here is just another NEW Duel..with updated
SF-PRO from 290224 to 040324 eng version !

Some Quick Remarks,
SF-PRO 040324 released BMI2, sad..normally AVX2
Compiles perform better on my 2x EPYC machine!

Other sad news is that,
Both (TG2 and SF-PRO) do not have BIN book future!
E.g in case of next book tours, both will be out...

Anyhow, the good news is that,
Both Top authors are kind..showed interest, that means a lot!
And as uısual, with pleasure I've organized this exciting event:

SCCT Duel II: SF PRO Vs TG2 (+6 Elo in favor for TG2)

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1   TacticaL Gear 2  +17/-8/=475 50.90%  254.5/500
2   SF-PRO 040324    +8/-17/=475 49.10%  245.5/500

DRAW RATIO: 95% / GAMES:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/phc37FLY

MORE DETAILS:
Same Bullet conditions are used as in previous, recent Duels...
SF-PRO (by ACOCALYPSE) comes with very limited eng options,
Only available Threads + Hashtable options..rest are invisible
That means SF-PRO 040324 is played without SYZYGY..plus no
Idea about SF PRO's Move Overhead numbers...but I set for
TG2 as Move Overhead: 100 and Syzygy 4-MEN Endgames too

Ok..that's all for now and many thanks for your interest )


Best,
Sedat

[OrgZ]

Hello chess friends )

Here is just another NEW Duel..with updated
SF-PRO from 290224 to 040324 eng version !

Some Quick Remarks,
SF-PRO 040324 released BMI2, sad..normally AVX2
Compiles perform better on my 2x EPYC machine!

Other sad news is that,
Both (TG2 and SF-PRO) do not have BIN book future!
E.g in case of next book tours, both will be out...

Anyhow, the good news is that,
Both Top authors are kind..showed interest, that means a lot!
And as uısual, with pleasure I've organized this exciting event:

SCCT Duel II: SF PRO Vs TG2 (+6 Elo in favor for TG2)

Code: Select all

1   TacticaL Gear 2  +17/-8/=475 50.90%  254.5/500
2   SF-PRO 040324    +8/-17/=475 49.10%  245.5/500

DRAW RATIO: 95% / GAMES:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/phc37FLY

MORE DETAILS:
Same Bullet conditions are used as in previous, recent Duels...
SF-PRO (by ACOCALYPSE) comes with very limited eng options,
Only available Threads + Hashtable options..rest are invisible
That means SF-PRO 040324 is played without SYZYGY..plus no
Idea about SF PRO's Move Overhead numbers...but I set for
TG2 as Move Overhead: 100 and Syzygy 4-MEN Endgames too

Ok..that's all for now and many thanks for your interest )


Best,
Sedat

Thanks Again Sedat!.
Interesting results by Tactical Gear
Bin books feature is still giving errors (its still a process of trying to match everything otherwise engine crashes!)

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello chess friends )

Here is just another NEW Duel..with updated
SF-PRO from 290224 to 040324 eng version !

Some Quick Remarks,
SF-PRO 040324 released BMI2, sad..normally AVX2
Compiles perform better on my 2x EPYC machine!

Other sad news is that,
Both (TG2 and SF-PRO) do not have BIN book future!
E.g in case of next book tours, both will be out...

Anyhow, the good news is that,
Both Top authors are kind..showed interest, that means a lot!
And as uısual, with pleasure I've organized this exciting event:

SCCT Duel II: SF PRO Vs TG2 (+6 Elo in favor for TG2)

Code: Select all

1   TacticaL Gear 2  +17/-8/=475 50.90%  254.5/500
2   SF-PRO 040324    +8/-17/=475 49.10%  245.5/500

DRAW RATIO: 95% / GAMES:
https://pixeldrain.com/u/phc37FLY

MORE DETAILS:
Same Bullet conditions are used as in previous, recent Duels...
SF-PRO (by ACOCALYPSE) comes with very limited eng options,
Only available Threads + Hashtable options..rest are invisible
That means SF-PRO 040324 is played without SYZYGY..plus no
Idea about SF PRO's Move Overhead numbers...but I set for
TG2 as Move Overhead: 100 and Syzygy 4-MEN Endgames too

Ok..that's all for now and many thanks for your interest )


Best,
Sedat

Thanks Again Sedat!.
Interesting results by Tactical Gear
Bin books feature is still giving errors (its still a process of trying to match everything otherwise engine crashes!)

You are welcome Tanick )

Strange...and let's hope to be fixed these kind of unpleasant bugs...

Greetings

[OrgZ]