SedatChess

[OrgZ]

Update

Ultimate League - NNUE vs NON-NNUE:

Meanwhile, it is a shocking news is that,
After checking more closely... I've noticed also that
Everest NON-NN book is managed to perform better:

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1   Everest NON-NN   +12/-8/=30 54.00%   27.0/50
2   OlisFish 260923  +8/-12/=30 46.00%   23.0/50

What I can say more over these important issues,
A superior strong book is something like that,
May win even via disadvantage test conditions!

Greetings

The chess world is indeed balanced . we got good book makers and good engine makers. though book makers depend on engine makers . seems skynet's books have got some venom is not everyday where you see them performing poorly

[Sedat Canbaz]

Update

Ultimate League - NNUE vs NON-NNUE:

Meanwhile, it is a shocking news is that,
After checking more closely... I've noticed also that
Everest NON-NN book is managed to perform better:

Code: Select all

1   Everest NON-NN   +12/-8/=30 54.00%   27.0/50
2   OlisFish 260923  +8/-12/=30 46.00%   23.0/50

What I can say more over these important issues,
A superior strong book is something like that,
May win even via disadvantage test conditions!

Greetings

The chess world is indeed balanced . we got good book makers and good engine makers. though book makers depend on engine makers . seems skynet's books have got some venom is not everyday where you see them performing poorly

Well-said )

By the way,
I started another new strength testings (not as championship),
Where the target is to see the NNUE vs NON influences, plus
Using various time controls etc....

One thing more, in your case...(since your Raid 3 TR book could not qualify...)
I will test Raid book via Raubfish SC NNUE vs same 3 Champs opponents...so later
We will have some new data.. more details very soon and please stay tuned...

Greetings )

[OrgZ]

Thanks.
This test is very interesting but am definitely sure nnue will dominate

[Sedat Canbaz]

Thanks.
This test is very interesting but am definitely sure nnue will dominate

Are you sure that NNUE will be dominant ?)

For example, according to new strength testings V:
DON Hercules 2 played even via Cfish 030820 NON-NNUE
This is not all.. I set 2m+1s for DON Hercules's book,
Where Lion 110423 book is played via Raubfish SC NNUE
Besides, I set 4m+2s for Lion 110423's opening book

And even under disadvantage test conditions,
DON NON-NNUE performed about 56 Elo better:

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1 DON Hercules 2 NON-NN  +16/-8/=26 58.00%   29.0/50
2 Lion 110423 NNUE       +8/-16/=26 42.00%   21.0/50

What I can say more,
Once more we noticed that DON fully deserves 'Hercules' name !)

Ok...that's all for now...I have many other new testings..
So..soon as possible, I hope to share all latest results


Greetings )

[Sedat Canbaz]

Strength Testings V's page is created, for more details:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... testings-5

[Ding-Bat]

Lion book in fairness is not a top book.
Just a thought

[Sedat Canbaz]

Lion book in fairness is not a top book.
Just a thought

Well, I can not say that,
Lion 110423 is a weak book...even it is a strong one!
E.g managed to qualify in recent organized book tours..

But there is one true,
It seems Lion's used opening lines suffer vs DON Hercules's used lines!
And it does not matter much...e.g via NNUE assistance, doubled TC etc.

Greetings

[Sedat Canbaz]

Here is another new test, where all played via Raubfish SC via 30sec+0.5sec,
Exception, only DON NON-NN book is played by Cfish 030820 via 2min+1sec

Under these cond... it's clear that NNUE is much stronger than NON-NNUE
E.g if we comparing..NNUE Bullet is about 40 Elo over Blitz NON-NNUE
(Sure I'm referring..if we are comparing both DON Hercules's recent results)

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Rank Name              Elo    +    - games score oppo. draws 
   1 ORIONPAX3        3768    7    8   600   52%  3753   89% 
   2 Everest 300923   3763    8    8   600   52%  3753   84% 
   3 DON Hercules 2   3763    8    8   550   51%  3756   90% 
   4 LesChats 071023  3762    8    8   600   51%  3753   88% 
   5 CachoSCCT opt    3757    8    8   600   51%  3754   91% 
   6 OlisFish 260923  3757    8    8   600   51%  3754   94% 
   7 ShadRach         3757    8    8   600   50%  3754   88% 
   8 OPTIMUS 4        3756    8    8   600   50%  3754   94% 
   9 SENTINEL 2       3755    8    8   600   50%  3754   91% 
  10 Zaytsev          3750    8    8   600   49%  3754   91% 
  11 Pimienta         3749    8    8   600   49%  3754   87% 
  12 Red Dragon       3741    8    7   600   48%  3755   88% 
  13 DON NON-NN 2m1s  3724    8    7   550   45%  3756   80% 

    

Note: DON NON-NN 2m1s = DON Hercules 2 by Cfish 030820, used 2min+1sec


More results coming soon...

[Ding-Bat]

Everest vs Don h would be an interesting none NNUE vs NNUE

[Sedat Canbaz]

Everest vs Don h would be an interesting none NNUE vs NNUE

Ok...I will run it unofficially... and soon as possible..

But very likely,
The results will be ended in favor for DON...