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Re: opening book vs experience file

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hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :     175     67    69.0     100  69.0   40   58    2  58.0       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    31.0     100  31.0    2   58   40  58.0     175     1

White advantage = 174.44 +/- 34.76
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

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pawn-value based experience file : experience data purely trained by Eman engine until 8.40 release (before Nov 5, 2022 patch)

hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings (Canseven-140223's Opening Rate : 87%)

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : 20 first legal moves (Canseven-140223's Opening Rate : 50%)

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :      18     81    21.0      40  52.5    3   36    1  90.0       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    19.0      40  47.5    1   36    3  90.0      18     1

White advantage = -35.26 +/- 40.81
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit (Canseven-140223's Opening Rate : 16%)

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :      50     69    28.5      50  57.0   11   35    4  70.0       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    21.5      50  43.0    4   35   11  70.0      50     1

White advantage = 21.47 +/- 35.47
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Opening list : Jeroen Noomen's 50 tcec season 22 superfinal openings (Canseven-140223's Opening Rate : 0%)

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :     175     67    69.0     100  69.0   40   58    2  58.0       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    31.0     100  31.0    2   58   40  58.0     175     1

White advantage = 174.44 +/- 34.76
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
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Re: pawn-value based exp file vs polyglot bin book

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Overall :

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :      53     27   183.5     320  57.3   54  259    7  80.9       0     1
   2 Canseven-140223.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----   136.5     320  42.7    7  259   54  80.9      53     1

White advantage = 41.63 +/- 13.69
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

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002 players                 : avg. D31, 002 180 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 031 414 moves

canseven-140223 (eman 8.40) : avg. D32, 002 409 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 014 245 moves
depth4_190623 (eman 8.40)   : avg. D30, 001 989 ms/move, 000 320 games, 00 017 169 moves

Averages :
0 214 sec/game (4 min/game)
116 plies/game (098 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D27, 003 612 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D29, 001 732 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D37, 001 230 ms/move
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Olisfish-040623.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 Olisfish-040623.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : 20 first legal moves

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :       9     81    20.5      40  51.3    2   37    1  92.5       0     1
   2 Olisfish-040623.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    19.5      40  48.8    1   37    2  92.5       9     1

White advantage = -26.35 +/- 40.96
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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deeds wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:31 pm hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men
Hey Chris, what's up? If i understand correctly, you use 40 threads per engine, right? If so, how much Nps you are getting at the start position?
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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Skynet wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:27 pm
deeds wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:31 pm hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men
Hey Chris, what's up? If i understand correctly, you use 40 threads per engine, right? If so, how much Nps you are getting at the start position?
Yes 40 threads/engine when training with books at TC 1m+1s to get the same average depths as 7-8 threads/engine when training with learning engines at TC 2m+2s. Look at ipmanchess for all my hosts speed, at the moment they are at training for days...
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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deeds wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:32 pm
Skynet wrote: Tue Aug 08, 2023 6:27 pm
deeds wrote: Mon Aug 07, 2023 7:31 pm hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men
Hey Chris, what's up? If i understand correctly, you use 40 threads per engine, right? If so, how much Nps you are getting at the start position?
Yes 40 threads/engine when training with books at TC 1m+1s to get the same average depths as 7-8 threads/engine when training with learning engines at TC 2m+2s. Look at ipmanchess for all my hosts speed, at the moment they are at training for days...
Ok, got it, thanks.
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : Albert Silver's 25 gambit suit

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   # PLAYER                             :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)      :      50     70    28.5      50  57.0   12   33    5  66.0       0     1
   2 Olisfish-040623.bin (Eman 8.40)    :       0   ----    21.5      50  43.0    5   33   12  66.0      50     1

White advantage = -21.47 +/- 36.46
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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