training mode (Eman) with trouney mode (Raptora)

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After 3 rounds, Eman_280723's experience rate :

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d2d4 g8f6 c2c4 e7e6 b1c3 f8b4 f2f3 c7c5 d4d5 d7d6 e2e4 e6d5 c4d5 a7a6                                                                                                                                        : ........2 moves, avg. D47, 005 counts/move
e2e4 c7c6 d2d4 d7d5 e4e5 c8f5 g1f3 e7e6 f1e2 b8d7 e1g1 g8e7 c2c3 h7h6 a2a4 d8c7 b1a3 g7g5                                                                                                                    : ........4 moves, avg. D31, 003 counts/move
e2e4 e7e6 d2d4 d7d5 b1c3 g8f6 e4e5 f6d7 f2f4 c7c5 g1f3 b8c6 c1e3 a7a6 c3e2 d8b6 d1c1                                                                                                                         : ......148 moves, avg. D42, 085 counts/move
e2e4 g7g6 d2d4 f8g7 b1c3 c7c6 f2f4 d7d5 e4e5 g8h6 f1e2 f7f6 c1e3 d8b6 c3a4 b6a5 c2c3                                                                                                                         : ......227 moves, avg. D27, 002 counts/move
c2c4 e7e5 b1c3 g8f6 g1f3 b8c6 e2e4 f8b4 d2d3 d7d6 a2a3 b4c3 b2c3 f6d7 g2g3 d7c5 f3h4                                                                                                                         : ......260 moves, avg. D35, 096 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 e7e6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 g8f6 b1c3 d7d6 g2g4                                                                                                                                                       : ......226 moves, avg. D29, 093 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 e7e6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 a7a6 f1d3 f8c5 d4b3 c5e7 e1g1 d8c7 d1g4 g7g6                                                                                                                              : ........3 moves, avg. D37, 004 counts/move
e2e4 c7c6 d2d4 d7d5 e4e5 c8f5 g1f3 e7e6 f1e2 b8d7 e1g1 g8e7 c2c3 h7h6 a2a4 f5g6                                                                                                                              : .......16 moves, avg. D28, 002 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 d7d6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 g8f6 b1c3 b8c6 f1c4 e7e6 c1e3 f8e7 d1e2 d8c7                                                                                                                              : ...36 423 moves, avg. D26, 085 counts/move
e2e4 e7e6 d2d4 d7d5 b1c3 d5e4 c3e4 c8d7 g1f3 d7c6 f1d3 b8d7 e1g1 g8f6 e4g3 g7g6                                                                                                                              : .......21 moves, avg. D27, 001 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 b8c6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 g8f6 b1c3 d7d6 c1g5 e7e6 d1d2 a7a6 e1c1 h7h6 d4c6 b7c6 g5f4 d6d5 d2e3                                                                                                     : ....9 173 moves, avg. D34, 095 counts/move
e2e4 g7g6 d2d4 f8g7 c2c4 d7d6 b1c3 g8f6 f2f3 e7e5 g1e2 c7c6 c1g5 e8g8 d1d2 b8d7 d4d5 h7h6 g5e3 c6d5 c4d5 a7a6                                                                                                : ........5 moves, avg. D33, 002 counts/move
e2e4 c7c6 d2d4 d7d5 e4e5 c8f5 g1f3 e7e6 f1e2 b8d7 e1g1 f5g6 a2a4 a7a5 b1a3 g8e7                                                                                                                              : .......19 moves, avg. D31, 002 counts/move
e2e4 e7e6 d2d4 d7d5 b1c3 g8f6 e4e5 f6d7 f2f4 c7c5 g1f3 b8c6 c1e3 d8b6 c3a4 b6a5 c2c3 c5c4 b2b4 a5c7 f1e2 b7b5 a4c5 a7a5 a2a3                                                                                 : .......23 moves, avg. D41, 078 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 d7d6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 g8f6 b1c3 a7a6 c1g5 e7e6 f2f4 d8b6 d4b3 f8e7 d1f3 b8d7 e1c1 b6c7 f1d3                                                                                                     : ........1 moves, avg. D53, 004 counts/move
c2c4 e7e5 b1c3 g8f6 g1f3 b8c6 e2e4 f8b4 d2d3 d7d6 a2a3 b4c5 b2b4 c5b6 c1e3 b6e3 f2e3 c6e7 d3d4 e7g6 f1d3 e8g8 e1g1 a7a5 b4b5 c7c6 h2h3 f8e8 a1c1 c8d7 d1d2 c6b5 c4b5                                         : ........9 moves, avg. D30, 002 counts/move
d2d4 g8f6 c2c4 g7g6 f2f3 d7d5 c4d5 f6d5 e2e4 d5b6 b1c3 f8g7 c1e3 e8g8 d1d2 b8c6 e1c1                                                                                                                         : .......86 moves, avg. D39, 075 counts/move
e2e4 c7c6 d2d4 d7d5 e4e5 c8f5 g1f3 e7e6 f1e2 b8d7 e1g1 g8e7 b1d2 e7c8 c2c3 f5g6 f3e1 f8e7 e1d3 h7h6 d3f4 g6h7                                                                                                : .......14 moves, avg. D29, 002 counts/move
g1f3 d7d5 c2c4 d5d4 b2b4 c7c5 c1b2 g8f6 g2g3 a7a5 b4b5 d8c7 d2d3 e7e5 e2e3 c8e6                                                                                                                              : ........9 moves, avg. D28, 002 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 d7d6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 g8f6 b1c3 a7a6 c1e3 e7e6 f2f3 b7b5 d1d2 b5b4                                                                                                                              : .......21 moves, avg. D30, 025 counts/move
e2e4 e7e6 d2d4 d7d5 e4e5 c7c5 c2c3 b8c6 g1f3 c8d7 f1e2 g8e7 e1g1 e7g6 f1e1 f8e7 a2a3 e8g8 c1e3 g8h8 b1d2                                                                                                     : ........2 moves, avg. D41, 002 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 d7d6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 g8f6 b1c3 a7a6 c1g5 b8d7 f1c4 d8b6 c4b3 e7e6 f2f3 f8e7 g5e3 d7c5 g2g4                                                                                                     : ........3 moves, avg. D34, 002 counts/move
c2c4 g8f6 b1c3 g7g6 d2d4 f8g7 g1f3 e8g8 e2e4 d7d6 f1e2 e7e5 d4d5 a7a5 h2h3 f6h5 g2g3                                                                                                                         : .......16 moves, avg. D29, 002 counts/move
e2e4 e7e5 g1f3 b8c6 f1c4 f8c5 c2c3 g8f6 d2d3 d7d6 e1g1 c5b6 c1g5 h7h6 g5h4 g7g5 h4g3 c6e7 b1d2 e7g6                                                                                                          : ........3 moves, avg. D37, 002 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 d7d6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 g8f6 b1c3 a7a6 f1e2 e7e5 d4b3 f8e7 e1g1 e8g8 c1e3 c8e6 d1d3 b8d7 c3d5 e6d5 e4d5 f6e8 a2a4 f7f5 a4a5 a8c8 c2c4 g7g6                                                        : ........5 moves, avg. D28, 058 counts/move
c2c4 e7e5 b1c3 g8f6 g1f3 b8c6 e2e4 f8b4 d2d3 d7d6 a2a3 b4c5 b2b4 c5b6 c1e3 b6e3 f2e3 c6e7 d3d4 e7g6 f1d3 e8g8 e1g1 a7a5 b4b5 c7c6 h2h3 f8e8 a1c1 h7h6 a3a4 c8d7                                              : ........5 moves, avg. D29, 002 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1e2 d7d6 b1c3 a7a6 d2d4 c5d4 e2d4 e7e6 f1e2 g8f6 f2f4 b8c6 c1e3 c8d7                                                                                                                              : ........3 moves, avg. D33, 002 counts/move
d2d4 g8f6 c2c4 g7g6 b1c3 f8g7 e2e4 d7d6 f2f3 e8g8 c1e3 c7c5 g1e2 b8c6 d4d5 c6e5 e2g3 e7e6 f1e2 e6d5 c4d5 a7a6 a2a4 h7h5 e1g1                                                                                 : .......16 moves, avg. D29, 069 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 e7e6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 a7a6 f1d3 f8c5 d4b3 c5e7 e1g1                                                                                                                                             : .......15 moves, avg. D29, 002 counts/move
e2e4 e7e6 d2d4 d7d5 b1c3 g8f6 e4e5 f6d7 f2f4 c7c5 g1f3 b8c6 c1e3 d8b6 c3a4 b6a5 c2c3 c5c4 b2b4 a5c7 a2a3                                                                                                     : ........1 moves, avg. D57, 004 counts/move
e2e4 c7c6 d2d4 d7d5 e4e5 c8f5 g1f3 e7e6 f1e2 b8d7 e1g1 g8e7 b1d2 h7h6 d2b3 d8c7                                                                                                                              : .......19 moves, avg. D34, 086 counts/move
d2d4 g8f6 c2c4 g7g6 b1c3 f8g7 e2e4 d7d6 g1f3 e8g8 f1e2 e7e5 e1g1 b8c6 d4d5 c6e7 f3e1 f6d7 c1e3 f7f5 f2f3 f5f4 e3f2 g6g5                                                                                      : ....6 648 moves, avg. D39, 095 counts/move
d2d4 d7d5 g1f3 g8f6 c1f4 c7c5 e2e3 b8c6 b1d2 c5d4 e3d4 c8f5 f1b5 a8c8 f3e5 d8b6 b5c6 b7c6 d2b3 h7h5 e1g1 f6e4                                                                                                : .......17 moves, avg. D28, 002 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 e7e6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 a7a6 f1d3 g8f6 e1g1 d8c7 d1e2 f8d6 f2f4 d6c5 c2c3 d7d6 g1h1 e6e5 d4b3                                                                                                     : .......11 moves, avg. D28, 002 counts/move
c2c4 g8f6 d2d4 g7g6 b1c3 f8g7 e2e4 d7d6 g1f3 e8g8 f1e2 e7e5 e1g1 b8c6 d4d5 c6e7 b2b4 a7a5 b4a5 a8a5 a2a4 a5a8                                                                                                : ......105 moves, avg. D31, 089 counts/move
e2e4 c7c6 d2d4 d7d5 e4e5 c8f5 g1f3 e7e6 f1e2 b8d7 e1g1 g8e7 b1d2 h7h6 c2c3 a7a5 f1e1 a5a4 d2f1 f5g6 f3h4 g6h7                                                                                                : ........3 moves, avg. D38, 003 counts/move
e2e4 g7g6 d2d4 f8g7 b1c3 c7c6 f2f4 d7d5 e4e5 h7h5 g1f3 g8h6 c1e3 b7b6 h2h3 h6f5 e3f2                                                                                                                         : ........5 moves, avg. D34, 002 counts/move
e2e4 d7d6 d2d4 g8f6 b1c3 e7e5 g1f3 e5d4 f3d4 f8e7 c1f4 e8g8 d1d2 f8e8 e1c1 b8c6 f2f3 c6d4 d2d4 c8e6                                                                                                          : ........1 moves, avg. D66, 121 counts/move
c2c4 g8f6 b1c3 g7g6 e2e4 d7d6 d2d4 f8g7 f1e2 e8g8 c1g5 b8a6 d1d2 c7c6 g1f3 e7e5 a1d1 e5d4 f3d4 a6c5 f2f3 a7a5                                                                                                : ........1 moves, avg. D54, 004 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 e7e6 b1c3 a7a6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 d7d6 f1e2 g8f6 c1e3 b7b5 e2f3 e6e5 d4f5 g7g6 f5h6                                                                                                               : ........1 moves, avg. D50, 004 counts/move
e2e4 g7g6 d2d4 f8g7 b1c3 d7d6 c1e3 a7a6 d1d2 b7b5 a2a4 b5b4 c3e2 a6a5 e2g3 b8d7                                                                                                                              : ........4 moves, avg. D32, 003 counts/move
g1f3 d7d5 c2c4 d5d4 b2b4 c7c5 c1b2 g8f6 g2g3 a7a5 b4b5 d8c7 f1g2 e7e5 e2e3 c8e6 d2d3                                                                                                                         : ........4 moves, avg. D31, 002 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 b8c6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 g8f6 b1c3 d7d6 c1g5 e7e6 d1d2 a7a6 e1c1 c6d4 d2d4 f8e7 f2f4 b7b5 g5f6 g7f6 c1b1                                                                                           : ........3 moves, avg. D34, 003 counts/move
e2e4 e7e6 d2d4 d7d5 b1c3 g8f6 e4e5 f6d7 f2f4 c7c5 g1f3 b8c6 c1e3 d8b6 c3a4 b6a5 c2c3 b7b6 e3d2 c5c4 b2b4 a5a6                                                                                                : .......20 moves, avg. D28, 020 counts/move
e2e4 c7c6 d2d4 d7d5 e4e5 c8f5 g1f3 e7e6 f1e2 b8d7 e1g1 g8e7 b1d2 h7h6 c2c3 f5h7 b2b4 a7a5 d2b3 a5a4 b3c5 d7c5 d4c5                                                                                           : ........2 moves, avg. D42, 003 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 e7e6 b1c3 a7a6 d2d4 c5d4 f3d4 b7b5 f1d3 d8b6 d4b3 b6c7 e1g1 g8f6 f2f4 c8b7 e4e5 f6d5 c3e4 f8e7                                                                                                : ........2 moves, avg. D42, 002 counts/move
e2e4 e7e6 d2d4 d7d5 b1c3 b8c6 e4e5 a7a6 g1f3 f7f6                                                                                                                                                            : ........3 moves, avg. D36, 002 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1e2 d7d6 b1c3 g8f6 d2d4 c5d4 e2d4 a7a6 f2f3 e7e5 d4b3 c8e6 c1e3 b8d7 g2g4 f8e7 d1d2 e8g8 g4g5 f6h5 e1c1 b7b5 c3d5 e6d5 e4d5 f7f6 g5f6 e7f6 b3a5 d8e8 f1h3 h5f4 e3f4 e5f4 h1e1 d7e5 e1e4 g8h8 d2e2 : ........4 moves, avg. D51, 106 counts/move
c2c4 c7c6 e2e4 g7g6 d2d4 d7d6 b1c3 f8g7 g1f3 g8f6 f1e2 e8g8 e1g1 e7e5 d4d5 b8a6 c1e3 f6g4 e3g5 f7f6 g5h4                                                                                                     : .......14 moves, avg. D31, 002 counts/move
e2e4 c7c5 g1f3 b8c6 f1b5 g7g6 b5c6 d7c6 d2d3 f8g7 b1c3 g8f6 h2h3 f6d7 c1e3 b7b6 d1d2 h7h6                                                                                                                    : ........4 moves, avg. D35, 003 counts/move

Experience Rate : 6%

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During round 3, Eman tested novelties around the 31st move of each opening :

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"3 rounds" it means each opening was only played 6 times (3 as white, 3 as black) but under luxurious* training's conditions, it does damage very quickly :

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   # PLAYER                              :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Eman_260723.exp (Eman 8.40)         :      19     28   158.0     300  52.7   29  258   13  86.0       0     1
   2 Raptora_250723.exp (RapTora 2.2)    :       0   ----   142.0     300  47.3   13  258   29  86.0      19     1

White advantage = 44.76 +/- 13.88
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

29-13 for Eman which already learned about 1/5th** of each opening of the Unique v50 opening's list !

It was not a very good idea to configure the default settings of an engine for tourney and let it coming without an experience file trained on the tourney's openings :


link : games
pass : 6ZjmzPpBv-vL21f3klcSJA

ps :
* lossless experience data (=concurrency 1), 40 threads/engine, hyperthreading on, large page on, numa on, ponder off, 4 GB hash, partial syzygy 7-men, etc.
** 24% = 100% * 31th / 128 moves/game

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...The point for Deeds, and I understand, is that he goes through rigorous training...

...Powerful training examples...

...It only remains to learn how to use the tools that Deeds has left in his repository on GitHub, work on the training of the engine, and have patience, this takes time. But, it's worth it...

When in fact Anton thinks this :

...a year and a half of work and of course Deeds' work is an absolute waste of time...

As no one has forgotten Anton's collaboration with AlexChess (chess2u), no one was surprised that Anton was now in contact with Sedat.

Yes ! You read well, Sedat, the same unenlighted daily tester who, after we showed evidences that SCCT's conditions only have 50% of conformity with Rulleeeee's experience file, confessed :

...
Frankly, I have no any idea About what you are talking...
...
So, all of your published screenshots... Are meaningless...at least for my side!
...

The good news is that all these people look alike and therefore come together, so it's easier to avoid them.

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   # PLAYER                              :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Eman_260723.exp (Eman 8.40)         :      19     28   158.0     300  52.7   29  258   13  86.0       0     1
   2 Raptora_250723.exp (RapTora 2.2)    :       0   ----   142.0     300  47.3   13  258   29  86.0      19     1

White advantage = 44.76 +/- 13.88
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

Sorry guys, it's true that i forgot to show the usual stats

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002 players                  : avg. D32, 001 746 ms/move, 000 300 games, 00 031 884 moves

eman_260723 (eman 8.40)      : avg. D31, 001 992 ms/move, 000 300 games, 00 015 946 moves
raptora_250723 (raptora 2.2) : avg. D34, 001 500 ms/move, 000 300 games, 00 015 938 moves

Averages :
0 186 sec/game (3 min/game)
128 plies/game (106 played plies/game)

Game stages :
- opening @ avg. D26, 002 452 ms/move
- middleg @ avg. D30, 001 596 ms/move
- endgame @ avg. D41, 001 232 ms/move

Thanks guys for noticing it

Let's take the opportunity to say a few more words :

- As already explained, the Raptora's default settings use Raptora.exp as an opening book so Raptora saved some seconds, had fewer moves to play and got a greater average depth.

- All this was useless against an engine on training mode which learned at each round and started to play with a pre-trained experience file (expRate from 4% to 6%).