opening book vs experience file

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Re: opening book vs experience file

Post by ALPHAZEROOOOO » Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:46 pm

deeds wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:09 pm
ALPHAZEROOOOO wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2023 8:10 pm
Stop bullshit and keep your bullshit results and tests to yourself...
nonsense moves in losing games do not belong in my book..
People have a right to know, results are published, computer chess are not just about the starting position, the future is the learning engines.
You have no right to inform people with false results
I have reviewed all the games and the lost games have nothing to do with my book. Moves that are not in my book have been played..
If there is a problem in your brain, if you do not understand me or do not want to understand, you can state it, you do not need to hesitate

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Re: opening book vs experience file

Post by deeds » Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:08 am

ALPHAZEROOOOO wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:46 pm
...Moves that are not in my book have been played...
Exactly, we call this an out-of-book !

As expected, the GUI plays the opening moves from the opening list, then the book plays its moves until its out-of-book, then the engine plays the following moves until the endgame positions, then the GUI uses the endgame tablebases to adjudicate the game.

Book makers add moves to their books in order to avoid losing lines. The games are available so the book makers can improve their books.

As you don't care what job i do, i don't care what thing you want.

It was my last reply.

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Re: opening book vs experience file

Post by ALPHAZEROOOOO » Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:15 am

deeds wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:08 am
ALPHAZEROOOOO wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:46 pm
...Moves that are not in my book have been played...
Exactly, we call this an out-of-book !

As expected, the GUI plays the opening moves from the opening list, then the book plays its moves until its out-of-book, then the engine plays the following moves until the endgame positions, then the GUI uses the endgame tablebases to adjudicate the game.

Book makers add moves to their books in order to avoid losing lines. The games are available so the book makers can improve their books.

As you don't care what job i do, i don't care what thing you want.

It was my last reply.
Yes, it seems you are an ignorant idiot with a big brain problem.
I really don't understand how an empty person like you has anything to do with chess. The person who loves chess is honest and respectful and should not cheat.
This won't be my last answer, as long as you talk nonsense like this and you want to fool people, you will continue to get reprimanded from me. :D

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Re: opening book vs experience file

Post by ALPHAZEROOOOO » Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:22 am

deeds wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:08 am
ALPHAZEROOOOO wrote:
Sat Jun 24, 2023 9:46 pm
...Moves that are not in my book have been played...
Exactly, we call this an out-of-book !

As expected, the GUI plays the opening moves from the opening list, then the book plays its moves until its out-of-book, then the engine plays the following moves until the endgame positions, then the GUI uses the endgame tablebases to adjudicate the game.

Book makers add moves to their books in order to avoid losing lines. The games are available so the book makers can improve their books.

As you don't care what job i do, i don't care what thing you want.

It was my last reply.
Games lost due to move g4 in move 1, which is not in my book
And you don't answer that, you try to cheat
If you don't know how to test a book I can tell you
But if you try to be so cunning and think you are knowledgeable, I will bother you until I really distance you from chess (: you can be sure I've met useless people like you before.

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Re: opening book vs experience file

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Sun Jun 25, 2023 1:11 pm

deeds wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 5:08 am
Exactly, we call this an out-of-book !
Hello Deeds,

Just my two cents over this issue

1st of all,
Not much is changed... you are with same tempo...sad...

To be more clear,
You have to start to learn that (in case of beta or serious testings),
Which are not suggested by book authors, name the book with different name..
E.g you can call it as:
Out-of-book

By the way, do you remember too? for example:
Some time ago, you ran also beta book testings: with Solista bin book,
Again with NON suggested Author's settings...and after checking
I noticed that the played moves are not belonging to Solista book!

And once more I recommend you that, if not clear:
Please show respect to people who created these great books...
Learn from them.. because this is nothing bad..

The current way which you work is not good at all...

And once more (for fair conditions)
Try to test public vs public or
Private vs private...

If nothing else.. at least share your experience bin (after the test)
Otherwise, I do not see any reason ... at least for my side!

Hope helps..

Best,
Sedat

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Re: opening book vs experience file

Post by botunnet » Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:45 pm

deeds wrote:
Sun Mar 05, 2023 8:32 am
How to read the moves of the games of the PGN files ?
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CUTECHESS-GUI adds the {book} mention after each move of the current opening.
For example : 1. e4 {book}...

When the engine plays a book's move, there is no evaluation.
For example : 8. Qe2 ...

When the engine is out-of-book, CUTECHESS-GUI adds the engine's evaluation.
For example : 10. Bxd4 {+2.04/33 9.6s} ...

CUTECHESS-GUI always adds the evaluation of the engine with experience data.
For example : ... Nc6 {+1.91/30 7.7s} ...
Hi DeeDs, i just registered here :? we don't find you at ocf :?

We checked some games :arrow: maybe can you confirm this ?

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ps : I hope your family is well :?: it's a heat wave here... :cry:

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Re: opening book vs experience file

Post by deeds » Sun Jun 25, 2023 6:41 pm

botunnet wrote:
Sun Jun 25, 2023 3:45 pm
Hi DeeDs, i just registered here :? we don't find you at ocf :?

We checked some games :arrow: maybe can you confirm this ?

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ps : I hope your family is well :?: it's a heat wave here... :cry:
Yes, cutechess add "{book}" after each move of the current opening hence the confusion with the book's moves. But the book's moves haven't stats so we can see when the books start to be used.

Thank you, we all are well, you're late it's been months since I left ocf, not the only one here lol

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Re: opening book vs experience file

Post by botunnet » Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:03 pm

When will Depth4_190623.exp be available ? Can't wait... :geek:

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Re: opening book vs experience file

Post by deeds » Sun Jun 25, 2023 7:44 pm

I will only open sales twice a year, now each learning session takes several months (= tc 2m+2s).

The new release will be announced on Bettina&Terry77 too.

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Re: opening book vs experience file

Post by botunnet » Mon Jun 26, 2023 10:09 am

ok i see... No account on morethanchessagame at the moment :oops:

In the era of learning engines, are there still opening books published without a defensive line after g4 d5 :?: :o

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