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Re: opening book vs experience file

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hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : startpos

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   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 hcanfree-upd.bin (Eman 8.40)     :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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deeds wrote: Tue Jun 20, 2023 8:55 pm hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess-gui 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : startpos

Code: Select all

   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       0     49    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1
   2 hcanfree-upd.bin (Eman 8.40)     :       0   ----    50.0     100  50.0    0  100    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 25.05
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
Sorry to say that,
On what kind of planet do you live ? if not so clear:
You are running via completely unfair conditions!

Private vs Public.. hehe ))

Come on SCCT conditions...and let's see
Under real Arena.. what is going on...!
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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And it was only a little "warmup" with Eman only set by default (=training mode).
I didn't even need to use the experience file as a book so Depth4_190623.exp often had less time to play.

But hey, I'm nice, the games are available...

For engine trainers :
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Yes, you read well !
From the start position (=no opening moves or others), with only 80% of conformity with the experience data of Depth4_190623.exp, it was enough to draw it.
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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deeds wrote: Wed Jun 21, 2023 7:22 pm And it was only a little "warmup" with Eman only set by default (=training mode).
I didn't even need to use the experience file as a book so Depth4_190623.exp often had less time to play.

But hey, I'm nice, the games are available...

For engine trainers :
Image
Yes, you read well !
From the start position (=no opening moves or others), with only 80% of conformity with the experience data of Depth4_190623.exp, it was enough to draw it.
Game are available.. hehe...

Please just do not try to FOOLl Me .. OK ?
The way, which I work since many years...
Believe Me...You even did not start!

Games ? you are really very funny...)))
Even if they are available...in PGN, CBH etc.
it does not mean that:
Your current played match conditions are fair....

Why you do not share your exp file ?
Where other chess friends may benefit...

Be generous at least once...
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Re: deeds_chess_system

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Dear Deeds
Why are you using Eman 8.40 and not using a newer version, or another engine.
Can I use Little Beast 3 sl with Eman experience?
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hungtranvn wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:01 am Dear Deeds
Why are you using Eman 8.40 and not using a newer version, or another engine.
Sorry but i'm training 5 different engines at the time and i trained until 6 different engines if i count JudaS...

hungtranvn wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:01 am Dear Deeds
Why are you using Eman 8.40 and not using a newer version, or another engine.
Because :
- since the Normalize evaluation patch of Nov 5, 2022, the scores of Eman 8.50 (and newer release) are based on a WDL model (based on fishtest's games = Stockfish selfplay)
- this WDL model is not very accurate
- this WDL model is modified several times/year
- at this period (November, 2022), i had already got between 14M to 17M "pawn-based" Eman scores and i don't want to pollule my Eman.exp file with "ephemeral wdl-based" scores from Stockfish selfplay games
- depending on the chosen opening list, learning engines showed gains from +50 to +200 elo and since there aren't +50 elo difference between Eman 8.40 and Eman 8.92, there wasn't urgency to loose the fruits of my 7 learning sessions
- i reinforced (and i'm reinforcing yet) at D40 the experience data of Eman 8.40 which has proven its fantastic resistance on odd TC and against books, here again, there wasn't urgency
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hungtranvn wrote: Thu Jun 22, 2023 5:01 am Can I use Little Beast 3 sl with Eman experience?
I advise you to use a non-merged experience file trained by its own engine.

There are already too many unfair people like :
- Alex who merged igor.exp (eman engine) with sarona.exp (sarona engine) and renamed it to ProteusSF.exp
- Sedat who renamed Khalid's eman.exp to StockfishMZ.exp
- Sedat who renamed ProteusSF.exp to StockfishMZ.exp
- etc
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Re: opening book vs experience file

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hardware : dual xeon e5-2660v3
software : cutechess 1.2.0
settings : TC 60s+1s, 40 threads, hash 4096 MB, partial syzygy 7men

Opening list : GHPPN's 15 most popular openings

Code: Select all

   # PLAYER                           :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 Depth4_190623.exp (Eman 8.40)    :       0     92    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1
   2 hcanfree-upd.bin (Eman 8.40)     :       0   ----    15.0      30  50.0    0   30    0  100.0       0     1

White advantage = 0.00 +/- 46.89
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
link : games
pass : 59Ef9tOGT1RCBGYgpMTuzw
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Re: deeds_chess_system

Post by hungtranvn »

Thanks a lot.
But I use the Little Beast 3 SL with the new Experience File from the beginning, not Merged Experience File, according to you, is it good?
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