how many more plies to beat a net ?

deeds · Post by **deeds** » Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:40 am

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nn depth + 6 plies

.# PLAYER.............................. : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED .(%) ...W ...D ...L D(%) OppAvg OppN
.1 stockfish 210920 classical d24...... : ...714 ...26 .934.5 ..1600 58.4 .466 .937 .197 58.6 ...652 ...2
.2 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d18 : ...700 ...24 2642.0 ..4800 55.0 1222 2840 .738 59.2 ...664 ...5
.3 stockfish 210920 classical d23...... : ...691 ...27 .779.0 ..1600 48.7 .288 .982 .330 61.4 ...700 ...1
.4 stockfish 210920 classical d22...... : ...659 ...26 .816.0 ..1600 51.0 .342 .948 .310 59.3 ...652 ...2

nn depth + 5 plies

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.5 stockfish 210920 classical d21...... : ...633 ...24 .890.5 ..1600 55.7 .465 .851 .284 53.2 ...588 ...2
.6 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d16 : ...604 ...22 2638.5 ..4800 55.0 1422 2433 .945 50.7 ...565 ...6
.7 stockfish 210920 classical d20...... : ...594 ...26 .673.0 ..1600 42.1 .237 .872 .491 54.5 ...652 ...2
.8 stockfish 210920 classical d19...... : ...554 ...25 1110.5 ..1600 69.4 .844 .533 .223 33.3 ...302 ...2

nn depth + 4 plies

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.9 stockfish 210920 classical d18...... : ...503 ...22 1185.5 ..1600 74.1 .916 .539 .145 33.7 ...238 ...2
10 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d14 : ...476 ...19 2649.0 ..4800 55.2 1527 2244 1029 46.8 ...436 ...6
11 stockfish 210920 classical d17...... : ...470 ...23 .650.5 ..1600 40.7 .257 .787 .556 49.2 ...540 ...2
12 stockfish 210920 classical d16...... : ...397 ...24 .504.0 ..1600 31.5 .178 .652 .770 40.8 ...540 ...2

nn depth + 3 plies

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13 stockfish 210920 classical d15...... : ...338 ...19 .709.5 ..1600 44.3 .352 .715 .533 44.7 ...382 ...2
14 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d12 : ...287 ...14 3276.0 ..4800 68.3 2492 1568 .740 32.7 ...120 ...6
15 stockfish 210920 classical d14...... : ...276 ...20 .584.0 ..1600 36.5 .266 .636 .698 39.8 ...382 ...2
16 stockfish 210920 classical d13...... : ...189 ...16 .886.5 ..1600 55.4 .582 .609 .409 38.1 ...144 ...2

nn depth + 2 plies

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17 stockfish 210920 classical d12...... : ....97 ...15 .710.5 ..1600 44.4 .413 .595 .592 37.2 ...144 ...2
18 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d10 : .....0 ----- 1567.0 ..4800 32.6 .858 1418 2524 29.5 ...194 ...6
19 stockfish 210920 classical d11...... : ...-11 ...15 .513.0 ..1600 32.1 .266 .494 .840 30.9 ...144 ...2
20 stockfish 210920 classical d10...... : ..-169 ...17 .280.5 ..1600 17.5 .104 .353 1143 22.1 ...144 ...2

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White advantage = 47.52 +/- 1.75
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

The same tests with sf nn at fixed d20 to d26 against sf classical at fixed d25 to d39 are coming soon...

deeds · Post by **deeds** » Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:43 am

nn depth + 11 plies

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.# PLAYER.............................. : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED .(%) ...W ...D ...L D(%) OppAvg OppN
.1 stockfish 210920 classical d39...... : ...135 ...28 .422.5 ...800 52.8 .117 .611 ..72 76.4 ...115 ...1
.2 stockfish 210920 classical d38...... : ...115 ...27 .400.5 ...800 50.1 ..89 .623 ..88 77.9 ...115 ...1
.3 stockfish 210920 classical d37...... : ...115 ...22 .828.5 ..1600 51.8 .225 1207 .168 75.4 ...102 ...2
.4 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d26 : ...115 ...20 2876.5 ..5600 51.4 .755 4243 .602 75.8 ...105 ...7
.5 stockfish 210920 classical d36...... : ...103 ...22 .801.0 ..1600 50.1 .195 1212 .193 75.8 ...102 ...2
.6 stockfish 210920 classical d35...... : ....95 ...22 .783.0 ..1600 48.9 .192 1182 .226 73.9 ...102 ...2

nn depth + 10 plies

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.# PLAYER.............................. : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED .(%) ...W ...D ...L D(%) OppAvg OppN
.7 stockfish 210920 classical d34...... : ....94 ...21 .780.5 ..1600 48.8 .191 1179 .230 73.7 ...102 ...2
.8 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d24 : ....90 ...17 2817.0 ..5600 50.3 .762 4110 .728 73.4 ....88 ...7
.9 stockfish 210920 classical d33...... : ....78 ...22 .746.0 ..1600 46.6 .146 1200 .254 75.0 ...102 ...2
10 stockfish 210920 classical d32...... : ....72 ...15 .860.0 ..1600 53.8 .308 1104 .188 69.0 ....45 ...2

nn depth + 9 plies

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.# PLAYER.............................. : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED .(%) ...W ...D ...L D(%) OppAvg OppN
11 stockfish 210920 classical d31...... : ....58 ...16 .765.0 ..1600 47.8 .197 1136 .267 71.0 ....73 ...2
12 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d22 : ....57 ...10 3096.0 ..5600 55.3 1206 3780 .614 67.5 ....18 ...7
13 stockfish 210920 classical d30...... : ....46 ...13 .839.5 ..1600 52.5 .288 1103 .209 68.9 ....28 ...2
14 stockfish 210920 classical d29...... : ....38 ...13 .822.0 ..1600 51.4 .275 1094 .231 68.4 ....28 ...2
15 stockfish 210920 classical d28...... : ....12 ...14 .764.5 ..1600 47.8 .218 1093 .289 68.3 ....28 ...2

nn depth + 7 plies

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.# PLAYER.............................. : RATING ERROR POINTS PLAYED .(%) ...W ...D ...L D(%) OppAvg OppN
16 stockfish 210920 classical d27...... : ....11 ...13 .761.5 ..1600 47.6 .225 1073 .302 67.1 ....28 ...2
17 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d20 : .....0 ----- 2641.0 ..5600 47.2 .760 3762 1078 67.2 ....21 ...7
18 stockfish 210920 classical d26...... : ....-9 ...13 .717.5 ..1600 44.8 .200 1035 .365 64.7 ....28 ...2
19 stockfish 210920 classical d25...... : ...-27 ...14 .677.5 ..1600 42.3 .156 1043 .401 65.2 ....28 ...2

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White advantage = 53.91 +/- 1.73
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

One day i will try to connect the 2 testsets but at the moment i'm busy.

deeds · Post by **deeds** » Sun Mar 05, 2023 9:48 am

In order to connect the 2 previous tests :

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   # PLAYER                                  :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)     W     D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d28    :       0   ----  4413.0    5600  78.8  3382  2062  156  36.8    -339     7
   2 stockfish 210920 classical d38          :     -11     17   387.5     800  48.4    77   621  102  77.6       0     1
   3 stockfish 210920 classical d39          :     -14     17   384.5     800  48.1    76   617  107  77.1       0     1
   4 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d18    :    -223     21   182.0     800  22.8     1   362  437  45.3       0     1
   5 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d16    :    -312     24   121.5     800  15.2     2   239  559  29.9       0     1
   6 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d14    :    -412     29    74.0     800   9.3     0   148  652  18.5       0     1
   7 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d12    :    -589     47    29.0     800   3.6     0    58  742   7.3       0     1
   8 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d10    :    -809     92     8.5     800   1.1     0    17  783   2.1       0     1

White advantage = 73.08 +/- 4.59
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

So finally, it shows something like this :

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   # PLAYER                               :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)     W     D     L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN

   1 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d28 :     895     22  4413.0    5600  78.8  3382  2062   156  36.8     544     7

   2 stockfish 210920 classical d39       :     887     28   807.0    1600  50.4   193  1228   179  76.8     884     2
   3 stockfish 210920 classical d38       :     878     28   788.0    1600  49.3   166  1244   190  77.8     884     2
   4 stockfish 210920 classical d37       :     873     31   828.5    1600  51.8   225  1207   168  75.4     860     2
   5 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d26 :     872     29  2876.5    5600  51.4   755  4243   602  75.8     862     7

   6 stockfish 210920 classical d36       :     860     32   801.0    1600  50.1   195  1212   193  75.8     860     2
   7 stockfish 210920 classical d35       :     852     31   783.0    1600  48.9   192  1182   226  73.9     860     2
   8 stockfish 210920 classical d34       :     851     32   780.5    1600  48.8   191  1179   230  73.7     860     2
   9 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d24 :     847     30  2817.0    5600  50.3   762  4110   728  73.4     845     7
  10 stockfish 210920 classical d33       :     835     32   746.0    1600  46.6   146  1200   254  75.0     860     2

  11 stockfish 210920 classical d32       :     830     34   860.0    1600  53.8   308  1104   188  69.0     802     2
  12 stockfish 210920 classical d31       :     815     34   765.0    1600  47.8   197  1136   267  71.0     831     2
  13 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d22 :     814     36  3096.0    5600  55.3  1206  3780   614  67.5     776     7
  14 stockfish 210920 classical d30       :     804     38   839.5    1600  52.5   288  1103   209  68.9     786     2
  15 stockfish 210920 classical d29       :     796     37   822.0    1600  51.4   275  1094   231  68.4     786     2
  16 stockfish 210920 classical d28       :     770     37   764.5    1600  47.8   218  1093   289  68.3     786     2

  17 stockfish 210920 classical d27       :     769     37   761.5    1600  47.6   225  1073   302  67.1     786     2
  18 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d20 :     758     35  2641.0    5600  47.2   760  3762  1078  67.2     778     7
  19 stockfish 210920 classical d26       :     749     37   717.5    1600  44.8   200  1035   365  64.7     786     2
  20 stockfish 210920 classical d25       :     730     37   677.5    1600  42.3   156  1043   401  65.2     786     2

  21 stockfish 210920 classical d24       :     703     24   934.5    1600  58.4   466   937   197  58.6     641     2
  22 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d18 :     688     22  2824.0    5600  50.4  1223  3202  1175  57.2     687     6
  23 stockfish 210920 classical d23       :     679     25   779.0    1600  48.7   288   982   330  61.4     688     1
  24 stockfish 210920 classical d22       :     649     24   816.0    1600  51.0   342   948   310  59.3     641     2

  25 stockfish 210920 classical d21       :     625     23   890.5    1600  55.7   465   851   284  53.2     580     2
  26 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d16 :     594     21  2760.0    5600  49.3  1424  2672  1504  47.7     604     7
  27 stockfish 210920 classical d20       :     583     24   673.0    1600  42.1   237   872   491  54.5     641     2
  28 stockfish 210920 classical d19       :     546     23  1110.5    1600  69.4   844   533   223  33.3     297     2

  29 stockfish 210920 classical d18       :     500     22  1185.5    1600  74.1   916   539   145  33.7     236     2
  30 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d14 :     473     18  2723.0    5600  48.6  1527  2392  1681  42.7     498     7
  31 stockfish 210920 classical d17       :     464     23   650.5    1600  40.7   257   787   556  49.2     533     2
  32 stockfish 210920 classical d16       :     391     22   504.0    1600  31.5   178   652   770  40.8     533     2

  33 stockfish 210920 classical d15       :     337     19   709.5    1600  44.3   352   715   533  44.7     380     2
  34 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d12 :     288     13  3305.0    5600  59.0  2492  1626  1482  29.0     230     7
  35 stockfish 210920 classical d14       :     275     19   584.0    1600  36.5   266   636   698  39.8     380     2
  36 stockfish 210920 classical d13       :     189     15   886.5    1600  55.4   582   609   409  38.1     144     2

  37 stockfish 210920 classical d12       :      97     15   710.5    1600  44.4   413   595   592  37.2     144     2
  38 stockfish 210920 nn-03744f8d56d8 d10 :       0   ----  1575.5    5600  28.1   858  1435  3307  25.6     292     7
  39 stockfish 210920 classical d11       :     -12     15   513.0    1600  32.1   266   494   840  30.9     144     2
  40 stockfish 210920 classical d10       :    -169     17   280.5    1600  17.5   104   353  1143  22.1     144     2

White advantage = 52.27 +/- 1.17
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00

To beat the net nn-03744f8d56d8 :
- at d10 we need 2 more plies (classsical d12)
- at d16 we need 5 more plies (classsical d21)
- at d22 we need 10 more plies (classsical d32)
- etc

About the net nn-03744f8d56d8 at d28, i expect 15 or 16 more plies (classical d43 or d44)...

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