SedatChess

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hello there,

Well, just another new CS (3800+) as players are almost all new, released
In latest days, weeks, months exc. Kookaburra, which is as 8 months old!

And once more we see that,
Powerful move is not in date or in size or in name, but in the correct line!
Even if Kookaburra will be in Top 10 ranks is all right..since too old-dated..

Actually here the right question should be:
How many Elo points did SF manage to improve (in one or in two years) ?
If you ask my opinion..not so much, even some older SF vers. are better!
E.g one of older SF ver is Winner one of recent organized Handicap tours:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... apped-cs-7

Note also that,
This exciting CS is playing via fast Bullet time control: 15s+0.3s, but
In the end of tour, I wonder what will be influences..about will appear
Time forfeits or not, due fast Bullet time control is used for all players

By the way, as you may noticed too:
I've included some of MZ's engines in this tour and let's hope peace, fun
To be a winner in 2025 and I think 'chess' can be a bridge to succeed it!

And here are the LIVE standings,
Where so far as current Leader: Kookaburra 3 - Congratulations to Dorz !

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Kookaburra 3                   20      13     356   52.8%   86.0% 
   2 Corchess 190125                15      11     360   52.2%   91.1% 
   3 Contact 10 SE                  10      11     362   51.4%   90.1% 
   4 SF-PB 221124                    7      12     359   51.0%   88.0% 
   5 DarkSeid 5.3                    7      11     359   51.0%   90.3% 
   6 Brainlearn 30                   6      11     361   50.8%   91.1% 
   7 Beast M 010125                 -1      12     360   49.9%   88.6% 
   8 Artemis 6 TR                   -6      11     363   49.2%   90.1% 
   9 Stockfish 190125               -7      10     361   49.0%   92.0% 
  10 Dark SisTer v2                 -7      11     357   49.0%   90.2% 
  11 HypnoS++ 1.01                 -12      10     356   48.3%   91.6% 
  12 JudaS++ 1.01                  -15      11     356   47.9%   91.3% 
  13 SF-PRO 311224                 -17      11     362   47.5%   91.2% 

2336 of 6552 games finished.

Good Luck to all )

Greetings

[Sedat Canbaz]

UPDATE

The 1st Tour Stage via Balsa suite is completed: 89% draw ratio !
In 2nd Stage, all via Unique suite.. so less draws are expecting..

1st Stage's Leader (via Balsa openings): CorChess - Congrats to I. Ivec!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Corchess 190125                16       7    1008   52.3%   89.9% 
   2 Contact 10 SE                  12       7    1008   51.8%   89.9% 
   3 Kookaburra 3                   11       7    1008   51.6%   88.2% 
   4 SF-PB 221124                   10       7    1008   51.4%   90.1% 
   5 Brainlearn 30                   4       7    1008   50.6%   90.3% 
   6 Stockfish 190125                3       6    1008   50.4%   91.4% 
   7 DarkSeid 5.3                    1       7    1008   50.1%   89.6% 
   8 Dark SisTer v2                 -2       7    1008   49.8%   90.6% 
   9 Artemis 6 TR                   -4       7    1008   49.4%   89.9% 
  10 HypnoS++ 1.01                  -7       7    1008   49.0%   90.7% 
  11 Beast M 010125                 -7       8    1008   49.0%   87.4% 
  12 SF-PRO 311224                 -18       7    1008   47.5%   89.0% 
  13 JudaS++ 1.01                  -20       7    1008   47.1%   87.9% 

6552 of 6552 games finished.

Just I'd like to point out also that,
After merging both stages, then Champion title will be determined !

And please stay tuned,
Soon as possible 2nd tour stage (via Unique openings) results coming..

Greetings

[Sedat Canbaz]

UPDATE 2

2nd Stage's Leader (via Unique openings): SF-PB- My Congratulations to SkyNet!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 SF-PB 221124                   23      12     389   53.3%   86.6% 
   2 Corchess 190125                20      12     386   52.8%   88.1% 
   3 Brainlearn 30                  14      13     391   52.0%   86.2% 
   4 Kookaburra 3                    4      13     389   50.6%   85.9% 
   5 Dark SisTer v2                  4      12     387   50.5%   87.1% 
   6 Contact 10 SE                   3      13     390   50.4%   85.9% 
   7 Stockfish 190125                1      12     392   50.1%   87.0% 
   8 Artemis 6 TR                   -1      12     390   49.9%   87.4% 
   9 Beast M 010125                 -4      12     387   49.4%   88.4% 
  10 DarkSeid 5.3                   -5      12     390   49.2%   88.7% 
  11 SF-PRO 311224                 -12      14     389   48.3%   83.8% 
  12 HypnoS++ 1.01                 -15      13     386   47.8%   85.8% 
  13 JudaS++ 1.01                  -31      14     388   45.5%   83.8% 

2527 of 6552 games finished.

Greetinga

[Sedat Canbaz]

UPDATE 3

In 2nd stage, via Unique Suite:
Corchess 190125 takes the lead again.. really impressive performance so far!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Corchess 190125                21       8     916   53.0%   87.0% 
   2 Brainlearn 30                  17       8     918   52.4%   86.5% 
   3 Contact 10 SE                  13       8     916   51.9%   86.0% 
   4 SF-PB 221124                   11       8     915   51.5%   86.7% 
   5 Kookaburra 3                    7       8     916   51.0%   86.5% 
   6 Stockfish 190125                3       9     916   50.4%   85.3% 
   7 Artemis 6 TR                    2       8     914   50.3%   86.3% 
   8 DarkSeid 5.3                    0       8     917   50.1%   86.2% 
   9 Dark SisTer v2                 -4       8     915   49.4%   87.9% 
  10 Beast M 010125                 -4       8     914   49.4%   85.9% 
  11 HypnoS++ 1.01                 -11       9     915   48.4%   84.9% 
  12 SF-PRO 311224                 -20       9     916   47.1%   82.0% 
  13 JudaS++ 1.01                  -33       9     914   45.2%   81.7% 

5951 of 6552 games finished.

Btw,
There will be another new but unofficial stage e.g next via UHO openings!
And the test via UHO: the played results will be not merged in 1st + 2nd..

But I wonder really
What will be influences..since is already clear, which are stronger...
Who knows? maybe UHO is become best for 3800+ about determining
After all, time will tell... anyhow, for anyone missed, the older test
Via UHO openings, I had bad experience, for more details, results:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... testings-1

Greetings

[Anton101]

Based on stockfish dev 180125, there has indeed been a regression from 3 to 5 Elos, it is certainly noticeable, however, it is better to have the engines updated to SF. And work on other aspects, such as Q-Learning.

Great tour as always.

[Anton101]

On the other hand, small modifications in the code suit corchess better.

[Sedat Canbaz]

On the other hand, small modifications in the code suit corchess better.

Thanks for your valuable information Mr. Anton..
Now is more clear why Corchess is doing better...

Greetings

[Sedat Canbaz]

UPDATE 4

3rd Stage (via UHO suite): Current Leader: Contact - Congrats to E. Nemeth!

Sure it is too early for any conclusions, since we need much more games..
But I like current UHO suite version. if nothing else not so much Drawish )

On other hand, there is one true and not as joke for sure:
My created recent handicapped suites draw ratio is close to UHO draws..!!
And it seems the latest Top 3800+ engines are more trained via UHO suite..
E.g some years ago..situation (error-margin) via weaker engines was huge!

However, according to my experience, e.g:
In case of tests via critical (weak) opening suites, sure here for less error margin:
It's recommended many thousands of games per player...where via strong suites,
As usual I say over: 1000 thousand games enough..this important formula matters
Also for much weaker chess engines as well...

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Contact 10 SE                  23      34     341   53.4%   15.8% 
   2 Corchess 190125                21      35     340   53.1%   12.6% 
   3 SF-PB 221124                   16      34     341   52.3%   15.0% 
   4 Kookaburra 3                   15      35     342   52.2%   11.4% 
   5 Brainlearn 30                  10      34     342   51.5%   17.0% 
   6 Stockfish 190125                2      34     344   50.3%   12.8% 
   7 DarkSeid 5.3                   -1      34     341   49.9%   14.1% 
   8 HypnoS++ 1.01                  -2      34     340   49.7%   14.7% 
   9 Artemis 6 TR                   -7      34     340   49.0%   16.2% 
  10 Dark SisTer v2                 -9      34     342   48.7%   15.5% 
  11 Beast M 010125                -12      34     341   48.2%   14.4% 
  12 SF-PRO 311224                 -28      34     343   45.9%   16.0% 
  13 JudaS++ 1.01                  -28      34     343   45.9%   17.2% 

2220 of 6552 games finished.

Btw, just to be more clear:
For the current (ongoing) test: UHO 2022 8mvs +170-179 is used..

Greetings

[Sedat Canbaz]

UPDATE 5

3rd Stage (via UHO suite): Contact 10 SE is still leading !! but CorChess
And SF-PB are very close, one of them will win, but it's hard to guess..

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Contact 10 SE                  24      22     792   53.5%   16.5% 
   2 Corchess 190125                23      22     794   53.3%   14.2% 
   3 SF-PB 221124                   21      22     791   53.0%   15.8% 
   4 Kookaburra 3                    6      22     791   50.9%   14.0% 
   5 Brainlearn 30                   4      22     793   50.6%   15.6% 
   6 Stockfish 190125                2      23     792   50.3%   13.4% 
   7 DarkSeid 5.3                   -1      22     791   49.8%   14.4% 
   8 Dark SisTer v2                 -5      22     792   49.2%   16.2% 
   9 Artemis 6 TR                   -5      22     791   49.2%   16.6% 
  10 HypnoS++ 1.01                  -8      22     790   48.9%   15.2% 
  11 Beast M 010125                 -8      22     792   48.8%   16.5% 
  12 JudaS++ 1.01                  -26      22     790   46.3%   15.9% 
  13 SF-PRO 311224                 -27      22     793   46.2%   14.6% 

5146 of 6552 games finished.

[Sedat Canbaz]

UPDATE 6

3rd Stage (via UHO suite) is completed: Contact + SF-PB are Winners!
My congratulations to both eng authors plus to rest authors as well..

And what I told all of you before ?)
It's a mystery, if running small number of games..here that's why we see
Unpredictable performances.. even despite that SF team is spending BIG
Efforts over NNUE trainings (mainly they prefer UHO opening suite series)

But via Balsa and Unique suites: Which Top engine won ?
I still did not merged the both played stages, but I think
CorChess, since managed to win the recent tour stages!!

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Rank Name                          Elo     +/-   Games   Score    Draw 
   1 Contact 10 SE                  21      20    1008   53.1%   16.1% 
   2 SF-PB 221124                   21      20    1008   53.0%   15.8% 
   3 Corchess 190125                19      20    1008   52.8%   13.7% 
   4 Stockfish 190125                7      20    1008   51.0%   13.3% 
   5 Kookaburra 3                    5      20    1008   50.7%   13.9% 
   6 Brainlearn 30                   4      20    1008   50.6%   15.1% 
   7 Artemis 6 TR                   -2      20    1008   49.8%   16.4% 
   8 HypnoS++ 1.01                  -3      20    1008   49.6%   15.0% 
   9 DarkSeid 5.3                   -4      20    1008   49.5%   14.8% 
  10 Dark SisTer v2                 -6      20    1008   49.2%   16.0% 
  11 Beast M 010125                -11      20    1008   48.4%   16.5% 
  12 SF-PRO 311224                 -22      20    1008   46.9%   14.8% 
  13 JudaS++ 1.01                  -30      20    1008   45.6%   16.3% 

6552 of 6552 games finished.

And soon as possible,
I hope to share full (merged 1st + 2nd stages) standings !

Greetings