Hello Homayoun,
1st of all,
I like much more original chess engines!
As same words are going for SF derivatives,
Especially which futures so many options etc.
About your rest comments,
Sure I was not meaning about Stockfish 17
I was meaning about the ones, which are close
In strength to 1500 Elo - 2600 Elo
And according to my experience,
Stockfish 17 is too strong for Humans,
But if you play vs SF..it is all right! even great !!
Btw, if you play vs SF17..did you manage to win so far?)
And just to be more clear,
I am not forcing you to use/play/test SF derivatives!
You are free ...but I just tried to explain about advantages..
No more... no less...
About your other rest comments,
In some I'm aware in some not..
Like you...
Greetings )
SedatChess
Re: SedatChess
Hi Sedat
I don’t play with a strong chess engine like stock fish or obsidian or superhuman engines to win them. It’s obvious that I can’t win even a single rated game specially under blitz time controls. I only improve my chess capabilities by this practice and analysing my games after the match and learning from my mistakes. It’s very effective practice for me.
Best regards
I don’t play with a strong chess engine like stock fish or obsidian or superhuman engines to win them. It’s obvious that I can’t win even a single rated game specially under blitz time controls. I only improve my chess capabilities by this practice and analysing my games after the match and learning from my mistakes. It’s very effective practice for me.
Best regards
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Sedat Canbaz
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Re: SedatChess
Dear Homayoun,
Now I see and nice to read...!
One thing more, Believe it or not:
There are such 'more' original Top engines,
They are worse..e.g not capable to 'Ponder'
During opponent's turn...just imagine:
3000-3700 Elo and can not ponder..hehe ))
Is this all? not of course,
What about theirs similarities to Stockfish?
Is there any 100% proof that they are not
Based mainly on others authors ideas?
Is this all? not of course,
The authors of SF family engines do not hide..
They clearly say..but I can not say as same words
For all rest more original engines..who often try to
Say e.g my work is original, started from scratch etc
Sure here I am not going to talk more, but at least
I may say: Similarities tools rarely make mistakes!
Btw, let Me say please a few words about Me,
You asked that ever I played vs chess engines?
Sure I have played so many times, but mainly
Vs weak engines which are close to my strength..
And here I refer mainly about the past such as
During 1995-2005 years, if you are going to ask
My favorite programs, which I used to play vs
Chessmaster personalities, Arasan plus many more,
But I admit that in most games I was defeated, since
I played mainly at fast time controls etc. but in Rapid,
I was better..and as far as remember, I've managed
Often to draw, even sometimes to win..
About my games vs Humans (usually I played with friends),
Sure not always, but often I managed to win.. it's not that
I am much better than them, but my knowledge over openings..
It seems and played as serious, as advantage over..you know,
The openings play as golden key to gain better points!
On the other hand, this is also true that:
Many people (even who were better/stronger than Me)
Were defeated...and I think here as main reason played:
Very likely the pressure, since they were aware that
I'm involved in computer chess, as not bad book maker!
But in overall, there is one true..I'm not so good,
Maybe about 1600-1800 Elo (in strength)
What I can say more,
We (You and Me) are different...if all were same,
Our chess world would not be too much boring ?)
Plus there should be TDs who have to test, organize
Tours, running ratings with engines, with books etc.
And how happy that I am of one of them!
Greetings
Now I see and nice to read...!
One thing more, Believe it or not:
There are such 'more' original Top engines,
They are worse..e.g not capable to 'Ponder'
During opponent's turn...just imagine:
3000-3700 Elo and can not ponder..hehe ))
Is this all? not of course,
What about theirs similarities to Stockfish?
Is there any 100% proof that they are not
Based mainly on others authors ideas?
Is this all? not of course,
The authors of SF family engines do not hide..
They clearly say..but I can not say as same words
For all rest more original engines..who often try to
Say e.g my work is original, started from scratch etc
Sure here I am not going to talk more, but at least
I may say: Similarities tools rarely make mistakes!
Btw, let Me say please a few words about Me,
You asked that ever I played vs chess engines?
Sure I have played so many times, but mainly
Vs weak engines which are close to my strength..
And here I refer mainly about the past such as
During 1995-2005 years, if you are going to ask
My favorite programs, which I used to play vs
Chessmaster personalities, Arasan plus many more,
But I admit that in most games I was defeated, since
I played mainly at fast time controls etc. but in Rapid,
I was better..and as far as remember, I've managed
Often to draw, even sometimes to win..
About my games vs Humans (usually I played with friends),
Sure not always, but often I managed to win.. it's not that
I am much better than them, but my knowledge over openings..
It seems and played as serious, as advantage over..you know,
The openings play as golden key to gain better points!
On the other hand, this is also true that:
Many people (even who were better/stronger than Me)
Were defeated...and I think here as main reason played:
Very likely the pressure, since they were aware that
I'm involved in computer chess, as not bad book maker!
But in overall, there is one true..I'm not so good,
Maybe about 1600-1800 Elo (in strength)
What I can say more,
We (You and Me) are different...if all were same,
Our chess world would not be too much boring ?)
Plus there should be TDs who have to test, organize
Tours, running ratings with engines, with books etc.
And how happy that I am of one of them!
Greetings
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Sedat Canbaz
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- Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:29 am
Re: SedatChess
UPDATE 2
As Final Conclusion about Latest CS,
Which played as without Learning too
Via RapTora 2.2
24+ Elo (in favor for Learning ON)
---------------------------------
Via Incognito 5 Pro:
11+ Elo (in favor for Learning ON)
--------------------------------------
Via Brainlearn 30:
1+ Elo (in favor for Learning OFF)
SOURCE:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ning-on-55
Best,
Sedat
As Final Conclusion about Latest CS,
Which played as without Learning too
Via RapTora 2.2
24+ Elo (in favor for Learning ON)
Code: Select all
RapTora 2.2 3782
RapTora 2.2 Off 3758 Via Incognito 5 Pro:
11+ Elo (in favor for Learning ON)
Code: Select all
Incognito 5 Pro 3808
Incognito 5 Pro Off 3797 Via Brainlearn 30:
1+ Elo (in favor for Learning OFF)
Code: Select all
Brainlearn 30 Off 3822
Brainlearn 30 3821 https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... ning-on-55
Best,
Sedat
Re: SedatChess
Hi Sedat
Practicing with very strong chess engines can improve a chess player accuracy. For example when I play vs Stockfish and I lose the game this result it’s not important for me. But when I analysis my game with Stockfish after the game and I see Stockfish had 100 0/0 accuracy and I had 60-70 0/0 accuracy under blitz time control (4+2) then it makes me happy although I have lost the game but it means I am not a bad chess player and I have played strongly as a human player.
Best regards
Practicing with very strong chess engines can improve a chess player accuracy. For example when I play vs Stockfish and I lose the game this result it’s not important for me. But when I analysis my game with Stockfish after the game and I see Stockfish had 100 0/0 accuracy and I had 60-70 0/0 accuracy under blitz time control (4+2) then it makes me happy although I have lost the game but it means I am not a bad chess player and I have played strongly as a human player.
Best regards
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Sedat Canbaz
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- Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:29 am
Re: SedatChess
Breaking News - 04.12.2024:
Another championship is organized..where as players are books and exp files!
For anyone missed, it's similar CS as the organized one (in 2023): B/E/N CS I
Note: All Exp players are tested in Round-Robin mode (Concurrent: 72 games)
Exception, Torch v3 Off (as without learning = only read) is played in Gauntlet..
And why? Answer: For better performance, in this way, Exp's learning influence
Is much more effective (than testing Exp in Gauntlet..) is this all? not of course:
These testing cond. are not so fair.. e.g all Bin books played via disadvantage!
In other words, the matches (BIN vs EXP) were: Learning Vs NON-Learning!
Despite on unfair cond. as we see, many BIN books are said the 'last' words !!
Yes, great performance comes by OPTIMUS, DON, Kill Bookson,MegaTron etc
Anyhow I admit that several Exp performed so good too..Btw, special thanks to
Anton Ces (for creating a powerful capable learning engine) otherwise I hardly
Doubt that the current EXP standings would be as it now..Be aware of that too:
All Exp players are participated as learning enabled, exception: Stockfish 151,
Depth41 291121, both played as learning disabled with Eman 9.90, as reason
Both mentioned Exp files are crashed via RapTora 2.3, plus just for comparing
Torch v3 Off is played as without learning (via read only..) too and in same time
That means 'Learning' (Training...) is much more effective than Tourney mode!
So finely the current useful data (via facts) confirms that deeds is wrong again!
Because this guy blamed often my tours,such as I've no skills that I use training
Mode etc. and once more, who said that deeds is best expert on eng learning?
As we see, Torch v3 training ranked at 6th, where as tourney mode: 27th rank!
What I can say more over it's never too late to learn new useful things! moreover
It's never too late to learn about respect, to say thanks, sure if you're good human..
Meanwhile, SCCT's rules are became more freer (e.g it will be like Online play)
Especially multiple fake authors will be allowed (as players etc.), Otherwise my
Free time will be busy mainly on fighting with them... sorry, I've more important
Things to do! And it seems no body cares over...why I have to care so much?
If nothing else, if checking/according to some forums: silence so it confirms so!
Ok..friends, congrats and many thanks..see you later, greetings from Antalya !)
B/E/N II's Champion: OPTIMUS - My Congratulations to Roger Constantinesco!
For FINAL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-2
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/n0RHWJyR#BDbMR6fmR ... pC1XEsTHFw
For anyone missed too, here another new CS is organized:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... c-eng-cs-3
Note also that,
Due to no much free time, I hope to make weekly updates on Openchess,
Thanks for your understanding...
Best,
Sedat
Another championship is organized..where as players are books and exp files!
For anyone missed, it's similar CS as the organized one (in 2023): B/E/N CS I
Note: All Exp players are tested in Round-Robin mode (Concurrent: 72 games)
Exception, Torch v3 Off (as without learning = only read) is played in Gauntlet..
And why? Answer: For better performance, in this way, Exp's learning influence
Is much more effective (than testing Exp in Gauntlet..) is this all? not of course:
These testing cond. are not so fair.. e.g all Bin books played via disadvantage!
In other words, the matches (BIN vs EXP) were: Learning Vs NON-Learning!
Despite on unfair cond. as we see, many BIN books are said the 'last' words !!
Yes, great performance comes by OPTIMUS, DON, Kill Bookson,MegaTron etc
Anyhow I admit that several Exp performed so good too..Btw, special thanks to
Anton Ces (for creating a powerful capable learning engine) otherwise I hardly
Doubt that the current EXP standings would be as it now..Be aware of that too:
All Exp players are participated as learning enabled, exception: Stockfish 151,
Depth41 291121, both played as learning disabled with Eman 9.90, as reason
Both mentioned Exp files are crashed via RapTora 2.3, plus just for comparing
Torch v3 Off is played as without learning (via read only..) too and in same time
That means 'Learning' (Training...) is much more effective than Tourney mode!
So finely the current useful data (via facts) confirms that deeds is wrong again!
Because this guy blamed often my tours,such as I've no skills that I use training
Mode etc. and once more, who said that deeds is best expert on eng learning?
As we see, Torch v3 training ranked at 6th, where as tourney mode: 27th rank!
What I can say more over it's never too late to learn new useful things! moreover
It's never too late to learn about respect, to say thanks, sure if you're good human..
Meanwhile, SCCT's rules are became more freer (e.g it will be like Online play)
Especially multiple fake authors will be allowed (as players etc.), Otherwise my
Free time will be busy mainly on fighting with them... sorry, I've more important
Things to do! And it seems no body cares over...why I have to care so much?
If nothing else, if checking/according to some forums: silence so it confirms so!
Ok..friends, congrats and many thanks..see you later, greetings from Antalya !)
B/E/N II's Champion: OPTIMUS - My Congratulations to Roger Constantinesco!
For FINAL Standings:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-2
GAMES:
https://mega.nz/file/n0RHWJyR#BDbMR6fmR ... pC1XEsTHFw
For anyone missed too, here another new CS is organized:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... c-eng-cs-3
Note also that,
Due to no much free time, I hope to make weekly updates on Openchess,
Thanks for your understanding...
Best,
Sedat
Re: SedatChess
Good tour thanks for the games
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Sedat Canbaz
- Posts: 1978
- Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:29 am
Re: SedatChess
You are welcome friends 
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Sedat Canbaz
- Posts: 1978
- Joined: Wed Jun 21, 2023 6:29 am
Re: SedatChess
Breaking News - 05.12.2024:
Another new CS is started..where as players will be books plus exp files too!
As main difference, this time tour conditions are Classic mode (NON-NNUE)!
Besides, all recent played Top EXP files are participating as learning disabled
And if going to ask why preferred these cond? sure for more fair and for fun !!
That's all for now..please stay tuned..soon as possible 1st played results come..
Meanwhile, in case of interest to submit a book / exp, you can submit: Contact
For more frequent updates, results, details:
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-bec-cs-1
Best,
Sedat