when a daily tester lies to people...

[IbaiBuR]

because you said: "If you dont know about SedatChess, you may be new in chess.." which is such an egotistical statement and you talked about your ban when no one mentioned it

1st of all, a small advice: (as next time )
Do not try to be as advocate of Sarona member!

Continuing..

You have no clue what is going on, really!
And definitely you have troubles to read..!!

A few words yes, but almost WRONG (btw, something like Eman vs SF similarity )
YOUR WORDS:
"If you don't know about SedatChess, you may be new in chess."

This time, Open your eyes again..but 7-times re-read:

Here is my previous original text:
And as far as I noticed,
You say that you don't care much about SedatChess activities
Sad..that means, you missed a lot...maybe you are new in chess?
Anyhow, I hope that you will follow my chess activities from now.

And to be more clear,
I was referring for chess eng testings, not human chess!
Because my chess activities etc. are more than 20 years online!
Sure..in same time, it does not mean that
All chess fans (in eng testings) have to know/visit SedatChess etc.
But this also true that, many many are aware and frequent visitors!
At least according to overall SedatChess web stats confirms this!

About your latest recommendations, thank you.. but anyhow in my eyes,
Eman is not 'valid' engine (not SCCT), if X eng is not capable to learn properly
As you say.. via more than concurrency than 1

Hope helps

And as last words, it is clear that,
You do not like my work.. sad, but I respect...
Btw, can you show your 'valid' rating ?
If possible via many games ( per player)

Thank you in advance!

You are the one who thought people were talking about (you thought they were talking about your ban) and reacted in an agressive, rude and impolite way.

Again, I reacted and answered because of your attitude, not because I wanted to defend anyone, I am sure people can do that by themselves...

What I said you were saying is very similar to what you say you were saying... Maybe I misunderstood, but it sounded so egotistical for me, thats all...

If you consider Eman is not a valid engine, just dont test it, its easy. And if you make any type of tests with learning engines again, please, try to follow my recommendations at least... Then the tests will be more valid

As I also said before, I respect and think you have done a very good job in the field of opening book creation and opening book testing, but yes, I definetely dont like your learning engines tests, that for sure. It is also clear that you dislike any type of test or evidence that shows results completely different to your tests or tests in which experience files get better performances than books, it is normal

You can see some of my learning engines training / results in my blog, specifically in this post: https://blog.chessnibble.com/learning-s ... d-results/

I dont organize book tours / rating lists because I have my machine occupied all day with training / lichess bot games, I hope you understand that too, I use my hardware for what makes me happy but trying to do it as best as I can...

Regards,

Ibai

[Sedat Canbaz]

Well, I am free to use any engine out there, ok ?
Again who are you? that with saying do not use Eman..

Frankly, I like Eman engine a lot...really!
And to be more clear.. if there is a engine bug..
You can not blame SCCT.. such as not valid test etc. ok ?

BTW, are you programmer ? do you know everything ?
If so.. can you make Eman stable (in learning) with parallel matches ?
I mean if you are so good..for you..it should not be so hard, right ?)
Because at least I can say RapRora, LittleBeast, BrainLearn are stable...
Even via 64 parallel matches..

Actually Eman is stable too, and as far as I noticed
Via 32 parallel matches..

Once more, If you have difficulties to read...
This is your problem... but Eman won Duel.. plus other strong tour!
So.. if Eman was buggy (in learning).. it could not be Winner, ok ?!

Anyhow,
Thanks a lot for your kind words about my book tours

That's all

Greetings

[IbaiBuR]

No one prohibits / prevents you from using it, but you said it was not a valid engine, thats why I thought you should stop using it, because of what you said. Of course I am no one to prevent you from using it, I just gave you some recommendations, thats all.

And yes, I am a programmer, I am studying Computer Engineering, but, as you may know, no one knows everything, I only tried to to provide you my experience / what I learnt in the field of engines with learning, thats all really.

Regarding fixing Eman, as you may know, Eman's source code is private! So I cant make any changes / fix what you say because I dont have access to the source code of the engine itself

Eman may have won the tour, but the experience file generated probably is corrupted and does not contain the experience data from all the games!

At least, it seems we could finish this discussions without insults now... Thanks...

[Sedat Canbaz]

Well, firstly you said that my test are not valid

My replay was just opposite... anyhow, let's finish.. as you said
Because my wife is here and she started to angry to me a lot.. )))

Greetings

[deeds]

...
Besides, SCCT- BOOK / EXP / NNUE's
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-1
Data (all games + books + exp files) is not shared to anyone!
...

And we have several new lies here !

For example, about this test, the games were shared. With courtesy of Rulleeeee, we also have a copy of his exp file. So we can compare if the played moves are the most efficient moves from the Rulleeeee's exp file.

Another example, about this test, the games were shared. The exp files were shared here. So we can compare if the played moves are the most efficient moves from the Raptora's exp file.

[Sedat Canbaz]

...
Besides, SCCT- BOOK / EXP / NNUE's
https://sites.google.com/site/computers ... t-ben-cs-1
Data (all games + books + exp files) is not shared to anyone!
...

And we have several new lies here !

For example, about this test, the games were shared. With courtesy of Rulleeeee, we also have a copy of his exp file. So we can compare if the played moves are the most efficient moves from the Rulleeeee's exp file.

Another example, about this test, the games were shared. The exp files were shared here. So we can compare if the played moves are the most efficient moves from the Raptora's exp file.

Hey Chameleon,

1st of all,
Probably I'm going to make mistake via replaying...
Because as I stated before,You are hopeless...sorry..
Anyhow...I will try this posting as last replay to you!

Continuing...

I do not know what is your goal?
Do you really believe in that,
With your cheap steps: you'll manage to change
Something? listen well, I suggest you as friendly,
Let's enjoy the life...let's enjoy chess...

Because what you are doing so far..it's clear that
You are far way to be as best exp expert and rather
I'd say for your tours: it's like Zirconia, but
You tried to sell them as Diamond !) at least
I can say about your Bullshit tour: BOOK vs EXP

On other hand,
Really I don't know the techniques of
Ruleeeee, Muleeee, Guleeeee, Tuleeee etc.

But what I know,
As another very important difference than you is that
In my recent tests all is clear...I don't hide like you!
And as you may noticed (in Goi forum),
I shared my recent played both exp file!

If not so clear... sure if you are so honest:
Where is your recent played both exp files?
I mean about which played in your recent test:
Eman 8.40 40 threads vs RaptoRa 2.2 40 threads,
Where Eman managed to win with BIG difference..

In other words,
Can you share (for free) your both exp files? in case
Later... very likely after 2-3 weeks I hope to test..
Let's see in SCCT, what will be theirs performances..
Thanks in advance )

Or maybe these both Exp files are already on sell?
if so... then please ignore my current posting...

[Sedat Canbaz]

[deeds]

Courtesy of the collective of Depth4's customers :

Hey DeeDs, look at this :


Sedat, the most incredible tester of learning engines !

I suspected it but there yes it is very clear thank you to all of you

[Sedat Canbaz]

Hey Chameleon,

Hehe)) as expected,

1st. You refused to keep calm and did not admit that you are w-r-o-n-g
But you can't change the reality: White is White / Black is Black !!

2nd. Again and again as expected,
1.You refused to share your recent played exp files (Eman vs RapTora)
I just wonder..Why? maybe you are scared that your produced data
Is not correct again ? do not worry ...if your results are played so
Properly..as valid)) then we can expect minus plus close results, right ?
Or your recent Duel results are as valid on only your PC?

And to be more clear,
If you share your recent both exp files ...I promise that
I will use with your recommended settings for Eman engine!
I mean that I will try to adapt to your recent test conditions...
And about RapTora engine, as usual ..will be played as default..
Sure just in case ..very likely I will set 8 or 10 Cores (per engine)
You know, my tournament machine is much faster than yours..

About your published latest/current stats,
Thank you..but as far as I noticed,
Many info is missing and not so correct!
Plus you missed to include many many tours, why?
Maybe because, too much work ?)

Just a few words more, otherwise I can't ))
3rd. What a funny credibility points ))) and
Now I noticed that you best exp expert..LOL))

4th. I think that I know more than you, right ?)
Since these tours are organized on my PCs ))
Or perhaps.. you are BABA VANGA ? LOL...

Continuing...

In other words, at least I can say that e.g
Many of my test are not published, measured..why?
E.g I have many other tours, with learning eng etc.

By the way, just one of them:

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Score of Eman 8.91 vs RapTora 2.2: 12 - 14 - 74 [0.490]
...      Eman 8.91 playing White: 12 - 3 - 35  [0.590] 50
...      Eman 8.91 playing Black: 0 - 11 - 39  [0.390] 50
...      White vs Black: 23 - 3 - 74  [0.600] 100
Elo difference: -6.9 +/- 34.8, LOS: 34.7 %, DrawRatio: 74.0 %
100 of 100 games finished.

One thing more..please next time open your eyes,
2 Core/Game = 1 Core (per side)
Due to Ponder ON...in same time that means
The Engine is thinking on Opponent's turn
For these reasons, I prefer to say: 2 Cores per game!
But definitely I did not use 2 Threads (per engine)

Meanwhile,
Many experienced PC Users prefer to say (as usual):
Threads: when is HT enabled, when HT disabled: Cores
If still not so clear: Don't mix Apples with Oranges!

As final words,
This time as you may see, I am not going to say
Hope helps, because we noticed that many many times:
You are hopeless...sorry to say this again...but reality is reality!

[Anton101]

Deeds is not going to send anything, he just evades the challenges. It does not send me exp.cpp and modified exp.h... It does not send its experience file for a duel against books.

This living being is a waste of time.