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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Wed Feb 26, 2025 1:25 pm

rulleeeee wrote:
Wed Feb 26, 2025 11:38 am
Strange guy... He deleted both my and your posts. Why? Instead of deleting he could have explained since we didn't understand what he meant...

You want to help and you remain ignorant...
They are rare to be like that but he is not the first...

His goal is not to train engines :arrow: his experience files have not learned any of the openings he used for his small matches :arrow: the learning features do not bring anything to the engines.

But he still understood that using almost empty experience files like opening books was misleading the engines.

Like others before him, he wants the benefits of training without training. With 10 games/opening for each engine, he is even further from the mark than Sedat with 50 games/opening for each engine. And yet they announce that training works :lol:

With less than 500 games/opening, it's really a lottery to tell which is the best engine or to ensure that the learning feature has worked/helped :
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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:12 am

I was told that here is the new JohnyPetrol's lie :
JohnyPetrol wrote:
Fri Mar 07, 2025 4:55 am
Amanda97 is no longer helping anyone here! LC-X bin Buch und Co. is now private...
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JohnyPetrol wrote:
Thu Mar 13, 2025 5:43 am
LC-X 11.6F.bin book + My private Hypnos.exp file + config...
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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Thu Mar 13, 2025 8:49 pm

Previously,
rulleeeee wrote:
Sun Nov 24, 2024 9:44 pm
These were just my thoughts, but I guess he really didn't understand anything and on top of that he is as stubborn as a child in his beliefs...
sarona wrote:
Tue Nov 26, 2024 3:22 pm
Chris, I seriously doubt he has learned anything about experience files...

When a TD still believes in 2025 that, with only 3 327 games, he will get an opening book as precise as an EXP file which weighs 600 MB, which was trained with 700k games (12 learning sessions), which has 218k moves reinforced at D40, which has learned 14% of all the ECO codes, etc. :
Sedat wrote: ...I will create a book, which will be tuned to prefer Depth4 Exp Series, played in latest months of 2025 where his opponents will be used to play Top books !...
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:difus_rofl :difus_rofl :difus_rofl

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Fri Mar 14, 2025 2:59 pm

I was told that Solidor has hexedited the Stockfish's executable again and even claimed to be one of the only two Stockfish co-authors :
Solidor wrote: I am sharing my version of the chess engine "Rybka 7 bmi2"...
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Evidence :
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:difus_rofl :difus_rofl :difus_rofl


Reminder : when Solidor spoke of pathetic things...
Solidor wrote: What lovers what you are doing here is pathetic - contrary to this forum...
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How long will it take for Sedat to believe this is a true new Rybka's release and add it to his tournament parodies ?

:difus_rofl :difus_rofl :difus_rofl

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Fri Mar 14, 2025 8:14 pm

I was told that here is the new Sedat's lie :
Sedat Canbaz wrote: anyhow the Top books Are managed to win.. sure I refer in overall (not individually)
...
What I can add more, Really impressive points come by Top opening books!
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Reality :

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   # PLAYER                               :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 MegaTron RevA (raubfish x48c3 sc)    :      15     59    36.5      70  52.1    5   63    2   90.0       0     1
   2 OPTIMUS 2409 (raubfish x48c3 sc)     :      15     58    36.5      70  52.1    3   67    0   95.7       0     1
   3 DON 130125 (raubfish x48c3 sc)       :       5     59    35.5      70  50.7    2   67    1   95.7       0     1
   4 DynamicS (raubfish x48c3 sc)         :       5     58    35.5      70  50.7    3   65    2   92.9       0     1
   5 Rulleeeee 041224 exp (eman 8.40)     :       0   ----   210.5     420  50.1   15  391   14   93.1      -1     6
   6 Esculapio (raubfish x48c3 sc)        :       0     56    35.0      70  50.0    0   70    0  100.0       0     1
   7 HCan 170125 (raubfish x48c3 sc)      :     -45     60    30.5      70  43.6    1   59   10   84.3       0     1

White advantage = 15.92 +/- 12.09
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
Loser : Hcan 170125 opening book

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   # PLAYER                               :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L   D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 DynamicS (raubfish x48c3 sc)         :      15     59    36.5      70  52.1    3   67    0   95.7       0     1
   2 MegaTron RevA (raubfish x48c3 sc)    :       5     59    35.5      70  50.7    3   65    2   92.9       0     1
   3 DON 130125 (raubfish x48c3 sc)       :       0     59    35.0      70  50.0    0   70    0  100.0       0     1
   4 Esculapio (raubfish x48c3 sc)        :       0     56    35.0      70  50.0    1   68    1   97.1       0     1
   5 OPTIMUS 2409 (raubfish x48c3 sc)     :       0     58    35.0      70  50.0    0   70    0  100.0       0     1
   6 Spectral 041224 exp (eman 8.40)      :       0   ----   210.5     420  50.1   11  399   10   95.0      -1     6
   7 HCan 170125 (raubfish x48c3 sc)      :     -25     60    32.5      70  46.4    3   59    8   84.3       0     1

White advantage = 2.51 +/- 12.12
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
Loser : Hcan 170125 opening book

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   # PLAYER                               :  RATING  ERROR  POINTS  PLAYED   (%)    W    D    L  D(%)  OppAvg  OppN
   1 DynamicS (raubfish x48c3 sc)         :      30     59    38.0      70  54.3    6   64    0  91.4       0     1
   2 OPTIMUS 2409 (raubfish x48c3 sc)     :      20     57    37.0      70  52.9    4   66    0  94.3       0     1
   3 HCan 170125 (raubfish x48c3 sc)      :       0     60    35.0      70  50.0    5   60    5  85.7       0     1
   4 Raptora 010323 exp (eman 8.40)       :       0   ----   208.5     420  49.6   14  389   17  92.6       3     6
   5 DON 130125 (raubfish x48c3 sc)       :      -5     59    34.5      70  49.3    0   69    1  98.6       0     1
   6 MegaTron RevA (raubfish x48c3 sc)    :     -15     59    33.5      70  47.9    1   65    4  92.9       0     1
   7 Esculapio (raubfish x48c3 sc)        :     -15     57    33.5      70  47.9    1   65    4  92.9       0     1

White advantage = -4.18 +/- 12.22
Draw rate (equal opponents) = 50.00 % +/- 0.00
Winner : DynamicS opening book

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by SOLIDOR » Sat Mar 15, 2025 6:08 am

My dear - I made a fish 7 on the strockfish code, I added tactical nets - what do you see as the problem? If you want, download it and have fun as much as you want!! I don't rip people off like you do by taking fees - best regards

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Sat Mar 15, 2025 11:52 am

Sedat Canbaz wrote: Where Depth4 2015 book is tuned to Prefer both Depth 2025's Exp series..

Deeds, who seems to be Responsible for all the openings (played by Depth4..)
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:difus_rofl :difus_rofl :difus_rofl


To get a good variety of experience data, I train Eman on several opening lists with several opening books as sparring-partners :

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How it works ?

For each opening of each opening list, the GUI (arena, cutechess, etc.) plays the opening moves then the engines start to play from the last position.

Let's take a training game played from the "1.b3 Nimzovich-Larsen" opening of the "20 first moves" list :

[Event "EXP VS BOOK"]
[Site "dual xeon e5-2660v3"]
[Date "2025.02.12"]
[Round "1"]
[White "Depth4_120824 (Eman 8.40)"]
[Black "Brain_110323 (Eman 8.40)"]
[Result "1/2-1/2"]
[ECO "A01"]
[GameDuration "00:02:48"]
[Opening "Nimzovich-Larsen attack"]
[PlyCount "55"]
[TimeControl "60+1"]
[Variation "Classical Variation"]

1. b3 {book} d5 2. Nf3 {0.00/29 4.1s} Bf5 3. Bb2 {-0.09/22 1.0s} e6
4. c4 {-0.05/29 10s} c6 {-0.13/31 12s} 5. e3 {-0.04/29 4.1s} Nd7 {-0.10/33 3.9s}
6. Nc3 {-0.08/26 1.8s} Ngf6 {-0.01/31 6.3s} 7. Nh4 {-0.07/26 1.5s}
Bg4 {-0.05/33 2.9s} 8. Be2 {-0.13/25 1.1s} Bxe2 {-0.02/30 1.0s}
9. Qxe2 {-0.15/27 5.1s} Nc5 {-0.02/31 2.1s} 10. cxd5 {-0.04/26 0.81s}
Nxd5 {-0.02/30 2.2s} 11. Nf3 {0.00/27 1.4s} Nxc3 {0.00/30 1.9s}
12. Bxc3 {+0.05/27 1.1s} f6 {0.00/28 1.7s} 13. Qc4 {+0.16/23 1.5s}
Qd5 {0.00/26 1.6s} 14. Ke2 {+0.01/23 1.3s} O-O-O {+0.13/20 1.3s}
15. g4 {0.00/24 2.6s} Qd7 {0.00/29 1.3s} 16. Bd4 {0.00/36 1.9s}
Kb8 {0.00/38 1.4s} 17. g5 {0.00/39 3.6s} e5 {0.00/46 1.9s}
18. Bxc5 {0.00/44 1.2s} Bxc5 {0.00/46 1.6s} 19. Qxc5 {0.00/48 3.4s}
Qd3+ {0.00/48 1.8s} 20. Kd1 {0.00/50 1.7s} Qe4 {0.00/48 1.6s}
21. Ke2 {0.00/53 3.7s} Qd3+ {0.00/52 10.0s} 22. Ke1 {0.00/55 5.2s}
Qe4 {0.00/56 2.4s} 23. gxf6 {0.00/58 16s} gxf6 {0.00/56 2.4s}
24. Ke2 {0.00/61 1.7s} Qd3+ {0.00/56 1.6s} 25. Kd1 {0.00/57 3.4s}
Qe4 {0.00/58 2.1s} 26. Ke2 {0.00/60 0.49s} Qd3+ {0.00/60 13s}
27. Kd1 {0.00/62 2.8s} Qe4 {0.00/64 4.9s}
28. Ke2 {0.00/61 0.64s, Draw by 3-fold repetition} 1/2-1/2

In this training game,

- the move "1. b3 {book}" is played by the GUI,
- the move "1. ... d5" comes from the "Brain_110323" BIN book,
- the move "2. Nf3 {0.00/29 4.1s}" is evaluated by the "Eman 8.40" engine which will update the "Depth4_120824" EXP file,
- the move "4. ... c6 {-0.13/31 12s}" is evaluated by the "Eman 8.40" engine because the "Brain_110323" BIN book is out-of-book,
-etc.


- no move played as white comes from the "Depth4_120824" EXP file because at training the "experience book" option is set to false. The moves are evaluated by the "Eman 8.40" engine based on the missing experience data in the "Depth4_120824" EXP file,
- only the moves played as black without evaluation represent the "Brain_110323" BIN book,


In sum :
- training games don't represent the accuracy of the EXP file,
- opening moves played by the GUI don't represent the EXP file,
- moves evaluated by the engine don't represent the EXP file,
- If a clown creates an opening book from training games, he alone is responsible for the good or bad performance of his own opening book.

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Sat Mar 15, 2025 3:24 pm

New Sedat's lie :
Sedat Canbaz wrote: ...I will create a book, which will be tuned to prefer Depth4 Exp Series, played in latest months of 2025 !...
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Reality :
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I caught you again Sedat

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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by deeds » Wed Mar 26, 2025 2:52 pm

Umpteenth Sedat's lie :
Sedat wrote: ...About MZ Chess Forum, which is closed too...
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Re: when a daily tester lies to people...

Post by Sedat Canbaz » Wed Mar 26, 2025 11:02 pm

@ To All Honest People

The closed MZ chess forum and Outskirts forum are totally two
Different forums, it's clear again and again that deeds lies are on!
Or deeds is not aware that before Outskirts, there was MZ forum..

And what I said before to all people?
Deeds is even not amateur..he started to be active since 2021,
Actually 3 (three) years is a serious period..but here.. OOPS ))
Anyhow, never too late to learn and to train...all in our hands )

Greetings

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