when a daily tester lies to people...

[sarona]

I knew about the issue with ShashChess.

I actually wrote that post in order to see if I could get a rise out of him and that he would then (predictably) praddle on in future posts about trolls and how terrible he is being treated on the fora. I see he is doing that on another forum with 62 members. Thanks for not letting me down.

I also did not want to be mean and mention the fact that such an experienced engine tester was scammed by including the (fake) Eman 10 in his test. I am sure he will eventually figure that one out, too.

After Rulleeeee, you are the 2nd person to think that !?
For me, Sedat is still the least enlightened TD in terms of EXP files / learning engines.
But maybe you or Rulleeeee have found something in all Sedat's messages, because I haven't...

Chris, I seriously doubt he has learned anything about experience files. That post was pure sarcasm in order to provoke a reaction. People can test engines for 20 years and still be ignorant of the proper methods required. He doesn't even comprehend that either.

[deeds]

At first, I didn't know Sedat so my first feeling was of pain for him as a TD to see his ignorance in absolutely all areas of learning engines / EXP files.

Since none of his supporters explained his mistakes to him, I understood that in fact they were all afraid that learning engines / EXP files would make all their work on BIN books obsolete.

So, I was interested in the openings most covered by BIN books and I trained Eman :


After each learning session, I update a small BIN book with the most effective/played moves up to the 60th ply so not only when I use my EXP file in tournament mode (experience book = true), it is less and less of an "experimental" feature (as Khalid said) but I also learn about their world of BIN books.

When I see that they are still at the starting point with < 500 games per opening, engines configured in training mode (experience book = false) during their tournament, EXP files that do not match the engines, concurrency > 1, hash size < 2 GB, untrained openings, I enjoy waking them up from time to time because it gives me ideas for coding new tools.

[deeds]

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I actually wrote that post in order to see if I could get a rise out of him
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That post was pure sarcasm in order to provoke a reaction.
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It's going to be hard to get him to react if he ignores you :
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4183&p=38282#p38270


It's still hilarious that the one who needs knowledge ignores those who have it

I was told that none of his supporters pointed out to him that his tournament engines did not have the same net so his so-called ranking of the best learning algorithms means nothing It's scary how badly surrounded he is...

[deeds]

I was told that here is the new Sedat's lie :


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[deeds]

When a TD tried to test which engine has the best learning feature :


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But there are tons of problems :
- engines came with different nets
- engine's releases weren't up to date on the same date
- engines came with different experience files
- experience files had different experience rate for each of the 60 openings
- each engine didn't play min. 500 games/opening
- etc.

So it is unclear whether the engine won because of its newer net/release or its better learning feature or its more accurate experience data.

ps : same problems here too.

[deeds]

When a TD tried to measure dictionaries/databases :


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But there are tons of problems :
- evaluations by a different engine than the one that evaluated the experience data => merged EXP file
- disrespect for pawn-based and wdl-based engine's evaluations
- disrespect for pawn-based and wdl-based experience data
- disrespect for nnue and non-nnue experience data
- experience files had different experience rate for each of main openings of books
- EXP files added to a tourney but set to training mode
- etc.

So it is unclear whether the player won because of its file or its engine or its mode

ps : same problems here too.

[sarona]

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I actually wrote that post in order to see if I could get a rise out of him
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That post was pure sarcasm in order to provoke a reaction.
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It's going to be hard to get him to react if he ignores you :
viewtopic.php?f=3&t=4183&p=38282#p38270

I am so heartbroken he did that.

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